Rogue Saga (Crystal Saga-Reloaded)

[khuongduy004]

Hell end game I am seeing a end game rogue with 300% attack speed no Sperion buff so what a Ranger might have 280% attack speed? So i attack every .26 sec while they attack every .28 sec... big whoop.... over the course of 30 minutes 6923 attacks for the rogue and the ranger gets 6428 attacks? over the course of 30 min I get 495 extra attacks thats 107.7% of your attacks and that calls for me to get a 50% reduction in proc rate like everything else on the Frag?

Or we can look at it another way (Using Perfect I 5% proc rate... Because you know I am low end here). Of those 6923 rogue attacks ~346 procs/30 min, Of the 6428 ranger attacks ~321 procs/30min. That is 25 extra procs to the rogue.... Now lets cut the Rogues chance rate in half like the forum wants ~173 procs/30min.....

Hot darn now the ranger gets 148 extra procs.... Well that doesnt seem fair. I think it was a bit more even when the rogue was only up by 7.7% extra procs on the ranger now after the New and "Improved Forum Revision (All terms used very very very...etc loosely)" the ranger is up 85% procs on the rogue...

I dont know is it me or dont you think that number should be as close as possible to 0% and instead you guys want to pass 0% and go up the other side 85% for a whooping 92.7% change between two classes.

The reason why others want rogue's frag chance to be nerfed to half isn't because of the extra 15% atk speed boost rogues have, but because each of your normal attack hits TWICE, so during that 30 mins you are not hitting 6923 hits, but actually 13846 hits. The double-attack style that rogues have is the reason why frost and sunder's chances are nerfed in the first place.

[Blinq]

Yes well, even if you reduce the proc chance, dont think that would stop rogues from proc-ing more than other classes in avernal

QD -10 hits, double cut 2 hits, triple 3 hits = 15 hits in 4 sec and not to mention we hit twice. SO even with 1% proc chance dont think it would do any good it terms of nerfing.

Unless ofc you want to completely revamp the game mechanics.

Just wondering how the folks in chinese server had to deal with this.

[Stigmata]

Lol wow this is turning out all wrong... Wait you are comparing the slowest class in the game to one that should be the fastest o.O thats not helping >.>

What I am trying to say is basically the only thing that matters right now is attack speed and the frag. Any other equips have no use unless it has an attack speed buff.

For example Kyle has no equipment that increases his attack speed at all. So by all means I should have kicked his butt. Although i dont know what his attack speed is.

The main thing I was trying to get at was NahL is basically me in Ranger form. He has better gems and enchantments (which have no effect on what we are discussing). And a frag that gives an extra 2% damage. There is no real difference other then that (if he has same soul and uses broken seal like me). That 2% gives him an extra 13% damage compared to me when it procs. Which as we all know is basicly 100% of the score in Avernal.
This means I would have to do ~10% more attacks then him to keep up. with that said im sitting at around 210% attack speed right now which puts me at 2.6315 attacks per sec and if hes keeping up with me hes probably sitting at 189% attack speed.

You know what its late and I am tired and CS never reads this **** anyhow so im just wasting my time. Im going to bed >.>

And i dont think they double attack makes this thing proc twice as quick or i would be sitting at about 7 billion right now and blowing everyone out of the water. If it the double hit does make it proc hie would need to have like a 380% attack speed to stay even with me.

[talesat]

Lol wow this is turning out all wrong... Wait you are comparing the slowest class in the game to one that should be the fastest o.O thats not helping >.>

What I am trying to say is basically the only thing that matters right now is attack speed and the frag. Any other equips have no use unless it has an attack speed buff.

For example Kyle has no equipment that increases his attack speed at all. So by all means I should have kicked his butt. Although i dont know what his attack speed is.

The main thing I was trying to get at was NahL is basically me in Ranger form. He has better gems and enchantments (which have no effect on what we are discussing). And a frag that gives an extra 2% damage. There is no real difference other then that (if he has same soul and uses broken seal like me). That 2% gives him an extra 13% damage compared to me when it procs. Which as we all know is basicly 100% of the score in Avernal.
This means I would have to do ~10% more attacks then him to keep up. with that said im sitting at around 210% attack speed right now which puts me at 2.6315 attacks per sec and if hes keeping up with me hes probably sitting at 189% attack speed.

You know what its late and I am tired and CS never reads this **** anyhow so im just wasting my time. Im going to bed >.>

And i dont think they double attack makes this thing proc twice as quick or i would be sitting at about 7 billion right now and blowing everyone out of the water. If it the double hit does make it proc hie would need to have like a 380% attack speed to stay even with me.

Its not only the 15% from passive skills for rogue aspeed, you throw in olympic ring insignia and boosts from equipment other classes dont get and you can easily get a rogue who attacks 4-6 times per other classes 1 attack. Throw in skills which do a flurry of attacks instantly and you got a class which procs stuff way more often than othrer classes... combined with a huge crit rate and bonus crit dam.... well its silly to say theyre not op

[Blinq]

you throw in olympic ring insignia and boosts from equipment other classes dont get

Sorry but, what equipment are you talking about?

The Olympic insignia is not a rogue only item.

Savage/slayer attack/cast speed bonus is same for all classes.

The only item that comes to my mind that moderately meets your claims, is the orange neth/purg gloves, that can add some attack speed.

Then again the whole set doesnt give any attack speed bonus, like other classes achieve, hence the so called 'advantage' you are talking about is non-existant.


Ladies and Gentleman, judging a class based on avernal results is just plain stupid. If this is a bug then the admins gonna fix it sooner or later. If not then wait for a few more rogues to get the new frag and let them get a taste of their own medicine. Possibly later on you will see rogues themselves pleading to remove this skill from avernal.

[talesat]

Uhhhhhh people arent saying theyre broken due to that only, the fact they attack twice for a base attack where as others do it once is a huge advantage.

[Blinq]

Uhhhhhh .... the fact they attack twice for a base attack.

Rogues attack twice for half of their base attack.

[talesat]

You dont seem to understand what Im saying. When a rogue attacks normally it does a double hit 2 hits pop up. This allows for them to proc passive a lot more often than other classes.

[speeds16]

That is why Arctic Blast has 5% chance to go off for rogues compared to 10% of the other classes. The Blood Cry-passive should have a lower chance to tik off than other classes to bring back the balance (5%->3%). That is literally all that this thread is about. Other than that it's just a bogus thread about rogues being able to kill some cashed up toons.

[talesat]

That is why Arctic Blast has 5% chance to go off for rogues compared to 10% of the other classes. The Blood Cry-passive should have a lower chance to tik off than other classes to bring back the balance (5%->3%). That is literally all that this thread is about. Other than that it's just a bogus thread about rogues being able to kill some cashed up toons.

Saying something is bogus without giving reasons why it is makes your claim of it being bogus in fact, bogus.

[speeds16]

Saying something is bogus without giving reasons why it is makes your claim of it being bogus in fact, bogus.

want me to quote the entire 6 pages of this thread? or read it back yourself?

[talesat]

want me to quote the entire 6 pages of this thread? or read it back yourself?

No, perhaps you should -carefully- read it back to yourself though.

[newclansdragon]

Why don't we talk about hellstorm. Rogues get great benefits from it. They just use the attack skill to cloak and then just hide until every1 killed everyone else....

[Stigmata]

Yeah tell me how 1 hide every 1-2min that last for 30 sec when you have guilds that gang up in groups of 3-4 and wait till everyone is dead before they kill eachother =/

[newclansdragon]

and u rouges just hide by using the skill =.= even b4 hs starts