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**Oerlien** · 06-24-2013, 02:19 PM

I think a 40 to 6 vote is indeed a clear display of if this should change or not. Do peoples votes count less because they don't have or take the time to explain? Why do you have the voting in here if it counts for nothing.

Avernal Realm has become a lottery, with different people in the top 10 every day, sometimes you end up 5th, sometimes not even in the top 10, even though none of the participants change their gear. People with Perfect Frag 1 and Slayer Equipment beat Perfect Frag 10 and Purgatory set holders, but only until the next random guy pops up in the top 10. Avernal was predictable and fun to join, but that is long gone since the Perfect Frag came. I"m not a big casher, but I've bought my fair share of stuff and let me tell you that the Perfect Frag disaster was a reason for me to quit playing more than an hour each day. I'm sick of playing the enchantment and AR lottery, with new luck elements being built in every week. If I want a lottery, I'll go to one - at least there I can win money.

**blorazaolg** · 06-24-2013, 02:19 PM

i hate the effect of frag even i got 1st sometimes...i agree with that..stop the effect it sucks!!!

**Schnurpsel** · 06-24-2013, 02:23 PM

Avernal was supposed to be about the most damage, not about having the most luck. It needs to be changed like Blood Breaking Skill was nerfed as well. I don't understand why we have to fight and prove it now. I cannot remember that we had to do this for the Blood Breaking skill...

**BrotherVT** · 06-24-2013, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by Oerlien View Post

I think a 40 to 6 vote is indeed a clear display of if this should change or not. Do peoples votes count less because they don't have or take the time to explain? Why do you have the voting in here if it counts for nothing.

Avernal Realm has become a lottery, with different people in the top 10 every day, sometimes you end up 5th, sometimes not even in the top 10, even though none of the participants change their gear. People with Perfect Frag 1 and Slayer Equipment beat Perfect Frag 10 and Purgatory set holders, but only until the next random guy pops up in the top 10. Avernal was predictable and fun to join, but that is long gone since the Perfect Frag came. I"m not a big casher, but I've bought my fair share of stuff and let me tell you that the Perfect Frag disaster was a reason for me to quit playing more than an hour each day. I'm sick of playing the enchantment and AR lottery, with new luck elements being built in every week. If I want a lottery, I'll go to one - at least there I can win money.

Votes do matter, however, explaining the reasoning as to why you think it should be changed is even better. It even has a great effect to change things than just a vote itself. Of course the 40-7 at the moment is a great display of wanting it changed - but if we wanted it changed - we could possibly go more into detail than just what the two choices that are provided are.

Originally posted by iyasn View Post

LOL come on VT he agrees!

Can't blame me for wanting to be persuasive. :P

**ShadowGammaDraco** · 06-24-2013, 03:00 PM

I'm for this to get updated. either fully disabled, or capped damage like mages and everyone else's skills even pets who attack with hp%'s &those which were changed before because of this same type of situation caused by those skills

**Schnurpsel** · 06-24-2013, 03:11 PM

**ShadowGammaDraco** · 06-24-2013, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by Schnurpsel View Post

think Firelord has a skill that does similar but is capped, either since it came out or before, pets were also altered to prevent people from switching to another of same pet or diff and using same skills again with no cd, might have been a more broad effect since not limited to avernal- but basically a example of things needed adjustment&some for this event.
was a issue with the special tamalan skills being abused in this event before as well, those were adjusted. < like a old Elephant, remember everything but its a little foggy pictures I'm great with- hate words, less its speech. pictures is how I see things in my mind. visualizing has been my key to success

Not only is it easier to communicate something using a picture, but itâ€™s also much easier for people to remember things that have been communicated to them visually. Psychologist Jerome Bruner of New York University has studied the art of communication, and his studies have shown that:

People remember 10% of what they hear;
20% of what they read; and
80% of what they see and do.

Most people are visual learners; a recent study by the U.S. Federal Government suggested that up to 83% of human learning occurs visually. The study also indicated that information which is communicated visually is retained up to six times greater than information which is communicated by spoken word alone.

know a trick to digesting words like pictures though too. ;p but that's getting a bit off topic.
if capped, I'd only like to see the skills capped WITHIN the avernal event. otherwise kinda ruins the splendor/beauty of the items skills .

**CloudySage** · 06-24-2013, 07:03 PM

The perfect fragarach nonsense needs to stop.NOW.I get first every day,no matter who's against me,but i'm SICK OF IT.

The so-called "Damage competition" has become a damn lottery and LUCK competition,not a DAMAGE competition.
I,like the poster of this thread,want to see how much damage i REALLY dish out and not see how many times my stupid Fragarach skill has activated.

Some people say it makes Avernal more "balanced".WELL,THAT IS A LIE.Rogues get even MORE advantage with that,because they have skills like : Doublecut,Triplecut,Quickdeath (thats 10 hits in 2 seconds + your cast speed) Blade sweep and more,plus our normal attack is 2 hits instead of 1 hit,so that's even MORE chance of frag activating.I'm a rogue myself,so i know this.

Now,another thing.People WITHOUT a perfect frag have NO CHANCE of ever placing top 10 in high level avernal,even if they have ridiculously high attack,crit damage,attack speed - they will lose to perfect frag owners,because a perfect frag I activation on a Bane with full health instantly gives you 70000K damage,which is what i'd do in like,15 minutes before Perfect frag came out...

So basically R2,you've turned a damage competition into a lottery,made an already unbalanced thing COMPLETELY unbalanced.Why can't you change it back to normal? You don't anyhow BENEFIT from this,so why not? At least 80% of the players are unhappy with it,and i can bet the other 20% and mostly rogues.I am a rogue myself,playing for over a year as one,and i'm unhappy with it even though i always win.Please R2 do fix this,Avernal was a great and fun event until this came,it was a fun competition where people could compete to see who's damage is higher,now it's just a competition to see who's luckier.Fix this just like you fixed other bugs like IoB reenter and the Ares bug

And i bet you at least 6 out of the 10 people that voted that it should stay the same are rogues.Their votes shouldn't be counted because theyre (or we're) the ones PROFITING from it.

**Botolminum** · 06-25-2013, 08:21 AM

Ignoring Kuja now, not really worth my time.

Originally posted by BrotherVT View Post

Even if the higher levels quit, it doesn't change the fact that this thread should have more voices to it - voices of which do not include flaming posts against each other. Once Shadow and I see just how much support this thread can and should be receiving, we will act upon it.

Yes I understand, but how ? I've already talked to people who filed ticket months ago to support this thread, and they clearly say NO, can't be bothered anymore, or they're not logging in anymore, should I break rule, ask their logins and post as them ? I don't think so, right... ?

so really... how ? Alts wouldn't count too, right ? If it's the same IP address, it won't count too ? That could be a big problem, as sometimes I shared internet with other people and other people playing in internet cafe especially South East Asian people which is the majority of player in this game.

**Zalfe** · 06-25-2013, 08:58 AM

I agree that there needs to be change. Avernal is not the way it started out to be, rather than the most DPS output from skills. It has become who has the most hits to trigger the frag passives. We truly cannot judge our real damage anymore. I thought that there was bound to be change soon, like how they fix the sperion skill "blood breaking kill". But it has been a while now that perfect frag has been out, so heres my opinion; Please change it!

**MomoJay** · 06-25-2013, 01:04 PM

Why keep asking for explanations? We all know what the problem is. R2 needed a cash cow so they created the frag weapon. The unintended consequence of the frag weapon is the destruction of Avernal Realm. It is a small price to pay for the large amount of cash they received and continue to receive for people making frag weapon. Then the frag merge came out. So now you can be twice the frag you used to be, lol. ïŠ You like what I did with that.

They could easily make the bosses immune to the passive Frag skill but then all the Frags would lose their advantage. This game is for all you Frags.

**ShadowGammaDraco** · 06-25-2013, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by MomoJay View Post

Why keep asking for explanations? We all know what the problem is. R2 needed a cash cow so they created the frag weapon. The unintended consequence of the frag weapon is the destruction of Avernal Realm. It is a small price to pay for the large amount of cash they received and continue to receive for people making frag weapon. Then the frag merge came out. So now you can be twice the frag you used to be, lol. ïŠ You like what I did with that.

They could easily make the bosses immune to the passive Frag skill but then all the Frags would lose their advantage. This game is for all you Frags.

please keep comments civil and respectful

Originally posted by Botolminum View Post

Ignoring Kuja now, not really worth my time.

Yes I understand, but how ? I've already talked to people who filed ticket months ago to support this thread, and they clearly say NO, can't be bothered anymore, or they're not logging in anymore, should I break rule, ask their logins and post as them ? I don't think so, right... ?

so really... how ? Alts wouldn't count too, right ? If it's the same IP address, it won't count too ? That could be a big problem, as sometimes I shared internet with other people and other people playing in internet cafe especially South East Asian people which is the majority of player in this game.

bring it up in world chat around the events and after& to go comment on the thread

**CloudySage** · 06-25-2013, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by BrotherVT View Post

Even if the higher levels quit, it doesn't change the fact that this thread should have more voices to it - voices of which do not include flaming posts against each other. Once Shadow and I see just how much support this thread can and should be receiving, we will act upon it.

This thread has received A LOT of support,this is way more than enough to act upon it! A LOT of people on my server want it to change,they just dont speak here,or visit forums.

**BrotherVT** · 06-25-2013, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by CloudySage View Post

This thread has received A LOT of support,this is way more than enough to act upon it! A LOT of people on my server want it to change,they just dont speak here,or visit forums.

Then something needs to change about that.

**JPwayne82444** · 06-25-2013, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by BrotherVT View Post

Then something needs to change about that.

The only way something is going to change about that is if people feel it is worth their time to speak here, or even read the forums. That won't happen so long as people feel that R2 will just ignore every suggestion the player base comes up with, including things everyone clearly wants (such as more vault pages, although as I understand that is a coding issue). The fact that they ignored all the threads about this very subject so far is actually part of the reason no one feels it is worth coming here to comment on it now. Hopefully you can see just how ironic it is that you say this thread needs more support and people need to post on the forums more to get this changed, when this not being changed when it received a lot of support previously is one of the very reasons no one bothers.

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