Black Firday Sale Time to Retire

[Fortune_Runner]

why do have to compete to other`s, just enjoy the game

im not a cashier, but i enjoy the game

xXPesmergaXx and myself are both guild masters there. We have to be competitive or our whole guilds suffers. Only the strong survive such a responsibility. And we earned ours

With the recent change however it totally destroyed any balance at all. In my case my quests had broken for an entire month and eventually an update finally fixed the glitch... one of the players who started the same day I did is still twice as strong as me but I am finally catching up. I have even had 500 crystal disappear and the support ticket was deleted for some reason. (5 bucks meh whatever I let that one go but deleted irked me)

And now this casher advantage totally wrecked the balance , even further of normal gameplay , well past with what the other casher add ons have done. I see no real appreciation of the players in anything recent. And many others agree to this as well. If r2 keeps this up their public relations will be non existent because they'll make their own company go belly up. History has proven that too many times.

[xXPesmergaXx]

why do have to compete to other`s, just enjoy the game

im not a cashier, but i enjoy the game

Well, you just enjoy the game that's fine, but I enjoy games by competing, before I played Crystal Saga I was a competitive speed runner and before that I played in Fighting game tournaments like Street Fighter 4 and Marvel vs Capcom 3. I've played Crystal Saga for 18-19 months, without being able to compete the game just isn't fun for me. To each their own.

[venomeh]

lol one thing I won't miss the infamous CS troll who doesn't read or understand before posting here or in wc. I'm fine not being the strongest player anymore that's an advantage cashers will always have if they spend tons of money, but if you read what I wrote before posting a self portrait of yourself you'd know that I'm a highly competitive gamer and I no longer have the ability to compete or catch up because of that sale. All the hard work and alts in the world can't help me compete against someone that dropped $200-500+ on the tenet system yesterday among other things. I used to have the highest strength on my server, but some people gained 6000-7000 more strength, endurance, intellect and agility yesterday so yeah... A lot of people just enjoy playing games for what they are, I gain enjoyment through competing, there's literally no way for me to compete now without becoming a heavy casher and I not only couldn't afford dropping that type of cash on this game, but wouldn't drop money on this flash game. I don't have a problem with cashers but for me personally cashing would remove all the challenge from the game sorta like using a cheat code for god mode in some console game. I'm guessing that's why cashers tend not to play as long as non-cashers. I've noticed you like to troll a lot people on here veno-meh instead of saying anything constructive, but you'd have to admit the system for cs is broken and needs work. Hit the ceiling anyway, there's really nothing left I can upgrade w/o cashing and nothing left for me to beat other than lvl 11 in void and lvl 5+ boss in corruption. Been fun, have fun guys!!! not you veno-meh the internet would be better w/o people like you...

First of all hey I'm famous, okay! Secondly CS is defo not the right choise if you wanna play COMPETITIVE. Cs' pvp is a joke, it's all about who gets the first hit.Lastly I actually do say pretty much constructive stuff, but knowing you I don't wonder you don't see it. Just keep focusing on enlargening your ******* elsewhere *phew* Farewell.

[sebastian1988]

Don't play f2p if you can't stand to play with cashers.
It's not the Black Friday Sale, it's the tenet system, that you struggle with. That deal was just 50% off, people would get there sooner or later anyway.

But what does it matter, it is as venomeh said. The first hit gets the kill in most cases. It doesn't matter if I hit you for 23 million damage or just for 1 million, you can't tank that much (usually). Instead of grinding all day to be a competitive non casher, you could just look for a part time job, get 10 bucks an hour and earn your 60 bucks a day to cash too.

If that was a valid reason to say "I quit" then it would take away all reasons for a new player to ever start playing because your farmed assets are worth far more than people spent during the BFS. It's just you being a little hypocrite. Don't blame other people just because you prefered to farm instead of earning money.

You are free to cash too and / or to wait for the next special deal and / or events.

[fhjkas]

xXPesmergaXx has a valid and well made point. However, I must say that R2 is just doing whatever it takes in order to continue running the game for everyone's sake.
Afterall, R2 is a serious business. Maintaining servers are way too expensive and they have to keep up their profits to fund the over-all operation of the game.

Being a casher comes with perks and benefits and everyone should know that everything in this platform can be controlled by how much money you can spend.
That is the bitter reality, let us all face the truth.

[Fortune_Runner]

No one is questioning about making money. Any business has to to remain afloat. However any business that ignores its public relations crashes and burns. one add on should not outbalance the rest of what is available in a moments notice. The balance of gameplay is non existent now because of it.

gimmicks do not sustain anything for long... and overkill destroys its environment as well. In this case it seems both were ignored and used far too often rather than real substance added instead. If r2 was serious about listening to past history of gaming then theyd know unbalancing it so drastically was a foolish thing to do. If they were actually serious about respecting clientele then they would of created each map area into multiple maps for that area as similar games of this genre have done to give a wider range of playing rather than a feeling of a condensed can of soup with no real substance. And dumping paprika in soup like this really ruined any flavor it had that was wholesome

xXPesmergaXx helps every last player even the ones he doesnt like bugging him more than anyone else on the server....and many of the server feel the same way. This is NOT an isolated opinion but in fact a reality of how many feel from this bombshell being dropped on us all. How many have to say this for others to listen that this was by far a real bad idea to do. We just had a few big time players quit who did in fact cash on the game.

[TheJudge1]

kk. enough already if u don't like the game just quit . don't come to forums and talk because they will not listen to you .

in every game there is cashers and non cashers. if u cant afford paying money just play and don't compare yourself to those who cash .

[sebastian1988]

I don't see how some more atk and attributes change the game at all. It's insignificant.
The non-cash and farmable stuff is already enough to have a whoever hits first wins situation.

The only reason why he is complaining, is that he has competition now. Didn't see him complain ever before.
Imagine someone just starts on your server. Those people always had a disadvantage, regardless what system existed.

Why did you never complain about that? Simple, because it didn't affect you so maybe take your talk about "The new system is so unfair, people will quit because of it" and go somewhere else.

Tenets are actually pretty fair to new players, to have a chance to ever catch up. But wait.. that you don't care about.

[xXPesmergaXx]

I don't see how some more atk and attributes change the game at all. It's insignificant.
The non-cash and farmable stuff is already enough to have a whoever hits first wins situation.

The only reason why he is complaining, is that he has competition now. Didn't see him complain ever before.
Imagine someone just starts on your server. Those people always had a disadvantage, regardless what system existed.

Why did you never complain about that? Simple, because it didn't affect you so maybe take your talk about "The new system is so unfair, people will quit because of it" and go somewhere else.

Tenets are actually pretty fair to new players, to have a chance to ever catch up. But wait.. that you don't care about.

This post coming from a maxed out player ofc... :/ you don't think your maxed character changes the competition on merged akuma? I know top players on merged that quit when all of the sudden people in broken started rocketing up in stats. After all people that worked their butts off to be strong would get 1 hit by you and you're impossible to hit for them cause your dodge. You're wrong I thrive on competition it's where I find enjoyment in games I had competition this whole year even against the other top players who are mostly all cashers and still remained #1, **** I'm even ranked top 3 in everything but ladder and pk on merged servers and you guys have at least 5-8 months of play time on me and server 5, but now I can't compete it's literally impossible w/o cashing.

If there wasn't a sale maybe I could have continued to trade for GWP at a regular pace or used roses at the wishing well to get them to compete against others but now I'm at least 6+ months behind in stats maybe even a year. More attack and higher stats changes the dynamic of almost all the events, the leaderboard and especially seng and showdown. I have a feeling just like veno-meh you didn't even read my original post before posting cause it wasn't all just me complaining, some of it was directed at how r2 operates, but if you want to bring up new players having a disadvantage and try to turn this into a I only care because it affects me argument then why would I bother to write the 2nd paragraph and part of the third which affects everyone that plays CS not just me. Players who start on a server that's more than a year old will always be at a disadvantage, but yeah tenet is **. Say a new casher started on my server on black friday and cashed $500 of half priced greater pearls of wisdom, that would put them with higher stats than mine or if they started a few weeks earlier and got one of those cash mounts like the golem that's equal to the hellwing and then cashed on the black friday sale for GWP, that would mean a casher with the new systems and mounts just passed a year+ long player in only a few weeks of playing. Talk about being unbalanced, the new systems and those cash mounts void play time and hard work. New players however that don't cash don't have a chance in hell, all these new systems almost seemed designed to get non-cashers to quit entirely. Now take a player that's played about the same time as me and have them cash up the tenet on black friday and I'm left in the dust with absolutely no way to catch up other than heavy cashing. With buffs my strength which only two weeks ago was the highest on my server at over 3k (6k with wing proc) is now puny comparatively to some people that have 6-9k unbuffed. I don't expect you to know this but how long do you think it would take a non-casher to gain another 6k strength?

"The only reason why he is complaining, is that he has competition now. Didn't see him complain ever before." I think you're just projecting with this statement, reminds me of when you complained about people alting IoB, why cause it meant people with alts that didn't cash could catch up to your wings w/o cashing and that bothered you. ofc that would bother any of the "100k Whalers" jared talked about at last years GDC. I have complained about things like this before, but maybe I should have worded my OP differently these new systems and the black friday sale were not only disheartening to the mass majority of players, but they've ripped away any chance of competing w/o cashing. Then again my OP was basically my retirement speech so maybe it's worded just fine.

I'm done now though so you won't have read my argumentative post anymore, especially cashers who love to troll me for some reason. Sold almost everything in my vault including my almost full temp storage pet book library and used 110 esd (took me 8 months to save up)to make 4 orange pieces and traded them for GWP. If you didn't fall into the r2 moneitization trap, you wouldn't be able to compete with no lifing, absolutely relentless players like me just sayin :/ If you cash I have no problem with you, but these things affect all the players of CS, r2 needs to be accountable for their customer service. Especially to people that give them their money. If you ordered a steak at a restaurant and the waiter brought you a cheese burger wouldn't you complain? In this case it's like you complained to the waiter and said I ordered a steak and the waiter leaves and comes back months later with the same cheese burger leaving you sitting there frustrated and still wanting steak...

[xXPesmergaXx]

kk. enough already if u don't like the game just quit . don't come to forums and talk because they will not listen to you .

in every game there is cashers and non cashers. if u cant afford paying money just play and don't compare yourself to those who cash .

lol that's just the thing I don't cash and cashers used to compare themselves to me, but meh not anymore cause the new systems and this sale.

[sangofighter]

Stop trolling the forums and quit already.

[xXPesmergaXx]

Stop trolling the forums and quit already.

Try reading what I wrote before you post the only one that's trolling atm is you trolling me, I have valid points some of which even affect you and everyone else. You're choice if you'd like to remain compliant and oblivious.

[sebastian1988]

Well, stats don't matter that much, really. The endgame toons all 1hit eachother. No matter your hp, def or reduction.
Only rogues have an advantage due to their dodge but they can be kited (unless they are shadow rogues, shadow rogues are way too op).
And knights have always been just some walking targets.

Then again, what does it matter?
No one can tank damage. If you hit for 1 mil damage on a toon with 500k hp or with 20 mil damage. They are dead.
And CS is not all about pvp. We almost don't pvp at all on our server, seng is just a tea party.

And showdown matters even less. Great, you are allowed to activate seignior for a week, what a great benefit..
There are other reasons to quit the game (like the fact that it is entirely boring) but not stats. What I tried to say, when refering to level 1 toons, was, that those people play even tho they can not compete and have no way to ever catch up unless they spend a fortune. That problem is solved with tenets, because everyone can get high stats without needing to spend thousands. And sooner or later there will be events for wisdom pearls eventually.

But seeing all your topics, bragging about spots on the leaderboard, pet books and such, I can clearly see why you want to quit. You are only playing to get some fame on your server, not because you like the game. And now, that the leader boards mean nothing to you anymore, you quit.

A perfect auguric X fused with a +16 supreme frag X, a high enchanted zodiac sword, a full and high enchanted esd set, a high level pixie and a gen 2 fused kilin level 20 is farmable if you really spend 24/7 on the game, as well as maxed out ultimate demon lords or even divine wings I.

There is already enough 1hit-potential in this game,it just takes longer.

[xXPesmergaXx]

I see your point, but even if I had 1mil as a regular crit things such as high def, def reduction, HP and dodge come into play in pvp. I'm averaging 300 - max 700k crits on most players but 20k - 180k max on max reduction high def knights add in tenets and that's decreased. So an OP player that cashes tenet has ridiculously high def, HP and dodge becomes invincible in pvp. I consider myself basically end-game as in without cashing I can't upgrade any farther unless I want to very slowly upgrade over the next year, I think the end game you're talking about is maxed players which would only be possible to a non-casher after like 3 years cause of soul alone. My stats aren't half bad compared to even the top on your server but I doubt even if I had higher hit rating I could even connect an attack/scratch your character in pvp. We're also kind of in a different situation server 5 on kong is basically dead and has been for a long time, 90% of the players are one of the few remaining actives alts. Getting end game items takes much longer on our server compared to merged which is 4 servers in 1 because of player numbers alone. So maxing divine wings is not possible w/o cashing or farming corruption for the next two years, even things like esd are extremely rare on our server. Since I just traded away my esd my only option would be making tons of alts and farming food boss... tedious and boring :/

I've been very bored with CS for a while and it's a big part of why I'm quitting, but new systems and what I mentioned before have sped up that decision, I don't care about "fame" I play to compete and can't anymore not because of unwillingness, but because my ability to has reached the point of near impossibility. The game isn't all pvp, right, but the PVE aspect of the game is more than beat when a player reaches ladder 75 for the first time, if you're strong enough to do that than it means everything else is basically cake other than ebs and 11+ in void. If I didn't like Crystal Saga I wouldn't have played it for the last 18-19 months, but yeah you're right leaderboards are important to me no matter the game and now that they'll be changed because of some new systems they hold no meaning. Like our ladder time, my parties time is 25 mins with a group of 3, not overly fast but at points as we developed we found ways (tricks or kiting) to get higher and faster and survive floors we couldn't before cause of low defense or whatever etc, now there's players because of cashed tenets that can solo to 75 and will soon enough destroy our time, I know this because even with my stats I can solo by kiting up to floor 70. At least honor/gold LB requires some dedication and work If I just played CS for fun the fun would have been gone a long time ago cause there's nothing left to do or beat pve-wise and dungeons couldn't be more tedious after playing this long. Competing with your friends and revivals is a big part of CS and not just for leaderboard W**res like me.

I got what you meant by new players having these new systems as a way to catch up while having to spend less money, but when a brand new player can in one day (with tenet) gain equal or better stats than people that have played for a year something is seriously wrong. Again nothing against cashers, but not everyone can afford or wants to cash. I wonder how you'd feel if for some reason you couldn't afford to cash and someone that just started cashed and became 2 times stronger than you in one day. Like your funds ran low for some reason and then all the sudden they add a new system that voids soul, high lvl mounts, wings and gear, then a new player cashes $200 and doubles your stats making everything you've worked for or spent useless. It seems in a lot of the post I've made since I started playing CS non-cashers agree with me and cashers completely disagree with me, wonder why that is. Probably because none of this really affects you as you're already untouchable and have the money to stay top. It does affect you though, it shows poor judgement on r2's part. If they added in more events like IoB that favor heavy alters which are usually non-cash players, I bet everyone that cashed to supremacy would surely be annoyed at r2. Cashers deserve their advantage cause they spend money and that's fine I have no problem with that, but even you said yourself that when divine wings were released it made the divide between cashing and non-cashing players too great because of the white stats, tenet puts divine wings to shame in that regard. We're not going to agree as we're on two different sides of the situation, but the only reason I even wanted to post this thread was that maybe in small glimmer of hope r2 would read and change CS for the better instead of making it worse each week.

"We almost don't pvp at all on our server, seng is just a tea party." Our server came up with a sort of solution for boring sengs that is if you can get everyone to agree, idk how it would go over with merged players but server 5 is a community so the server will agree on things that benefits or makes things more fun for everyone with only a few rogue players(not the class) that won't go along. We occasionally have "naked sengs" - no gear, weapon, mount, pixie, title, priest buffs, zod blessing, elixers, blessings (BoP/BoL/BoT) or frost. Idk if you remember how much fun sengs were when you server was brand new and everyone was basically weak sauce, but it's basically like that. Towers take forever, new players can kill OP players, and seng almost ends in a draw. Just an idea, imo pvp is the funnest aspect of CS other than competing for LB ranks and high stats.

[iyasn]

I agree with this am strong in my server haha but tenet give too much stats and for a crazy discount by r2, but idc game boring anyway I just log on for certain things haha