Damage reduction

[celestialbeing34]

Hey R2, just wanted to note about how all classes could get 75% reduction to damage and it was the max. As a knight player I feel like this takes away from the knight classes in both pvp and pve. Sure knights can hit higher reductions faster but if you're going to change it so every class can have 75% reduction do you think you could change it so knights have 100% reduction? Because that way it brings them back into the game for the most part even if someone makes an alt to farm it makes them more viable and maybe buff up their armor sets cause if you want to be a knight and pvp, to be honest it is incredibly hard later in the game when people have 1mill physical attack or magic attack and a knight gets blown up. In all games i've ever played a knight is supposed to be the tankiest and can take any hit thrown sure you can still kill them, but i feel like the knights you guys have in Crystal Saga and most likely in crystal saga 2 need a buff to the epic equip they can make and the toons themselves. You should turn crit defense and armor penetration defence into percentages giving knights higher survival chances. I feel if you make knights have 100% damage reduction in pve they will become unkillable or close to it debuffs and stuff will still affect them of course but if change them and maybe add more crit strike chance to the ranger knight gear past the lvl 85 exelorn set it'll make pvp more balanced or make a pure knight armor like how you made the lvl 175 malificient sentinel armor that's basically tailor made for a priest. If you made the armor more specific to a class to beef them up not only against pve creatures but other players it would make the game more enjoyable and you'd see a higher influx of money and time into the game as people enjoyed it more.

[R210481879]

you suggest knights receive no dmg?

[celestialbeing34]

you suggest knights receive no dmg?

Well yeah, if all classes have 75% reductions what's the point to even having a knight class anymore. There is none knights will still take damage of course they don't have to make it 100% reduc maybe 90% but when have you ever seen a knights damage reduction matter in pvp when a rogue or ranger has 125% chance to crit or higher with over 300% crit damage. It doesn't the knight gets blown up regardless. So yes i'm suggesting the make the knights actual knights again not every character in the game a knight class. They are called different classes for a reason they should not all have the same reductions a rogue and ranger should not have 75% reductions they are made to out dps enemies or out burst them a rogue can generally get close to 200% dodge or higher when they have everything in the game maxed they also added seiryu for the people who chose different classes other the knight to allow them to heal because the inherently attack faster then a knight does. A knight is supposed to be the frontline who takes all the damage not a ranger. If they turn all the characters into having a knights reduction what's the point of even having a knight unless you beef him up so you have a knight again. Someone with high crit strike and damage will still blow a knight up but it'll take longer to do so giving them more chance to survive in pvp and make it easier to do pve. I don't see what's wrong for wanting them to do that considering how much stronger they've made all the other toons by upping their reduc cap to 75% but leaving the knights the same.

[R21507247]

1) You do realise you're requesting to make knights immortal---everyone would just become knights--- there would be no point in the game anymore.
2) You do realise that physical and magical defense plays a part too? Reduction helps but there's no limit on defense. So that kills your whole argument right there.
3) You talk about the stereotype of tanks taking heavy damage. I could just as easily say that rogues are hard hitters(based off their stereotype)
4) Knights can have 15% lifesteal + 5% of your hp get restored per hit with seiryu and you're complaining?lol
5) Other classes don't simply get max reduction like knights. It actually takes a ton of work.
6) By your standards a knight it nothing without reduction. Reduction is useless if you don't even have HP or def to back it up.
7) You're an idiot and I'm hoping this request is a joke lol otherwise.... you truly are an idiot.
8) Seems like you're too lazy to put in the work. Slacker

We can call you a knigh-tard. You just want your class to be the best.Pathetic

[xPrototypeT]

1) You do realise you're requesting to make knights immortal---everyone would just become knights--- there would be no point in the game anymore.
2) You do realise that physical and magical defense plays a part too? Reduction helps but there's no limit on defense. So that kills your whole argument right there.
3) You talk about the stereotype of tanks taking heavy damage. I could just as easily say that rogues are hard hitters(based off their stereotype)
4) Knights can have 15% lifesteal + 5% of your hp get restored per hit with seiryu and you're complaining?lol
5) Other classes don't simply get max reduction like knights. It actually takes a ton of work.
6) By your standards a knight it nothing without reduction. Reduction is useless if you don't even have HP or def to back it up.
7) You're an idiot and I'm hoping this request is a joke lol otherwise.... you truly are an idiot.
8) Seems like you're too lazy to put in the work. Slacker

We can call you a knigh-tard. You just want your class to be the best.Pathetic

I like u, 10/10 agree with everything

[Sagittarius001]

Do you even know how hard it is for a rogue to max their reductons?

...25% soul, 9% zodiac, 3% cape, 34% from full awakened ares, then the 4% from the one **** beast title...75% there... 73% if you go full malific and get the Marshalls insignia...

and this is the same for all class... just the priest can get past it with full saviours and the book, BM can max Phy reds with their offhand...as a rogue/mage/ranger unless you cash for the 6 pieces of awakened ares you need you're not gonna max it ,(BM can max psy but not magic,) unless I've missed summt...

[xPrototypeT]

full saviours is ew tho

I like my matk

[Sagittarius001]

full saviours is ew tho

I like my matk

Heh depends what you need tbh

[celestialbeing34]

1) You do realise you're requesting to make knights immortal---everyone would just become knights--- there would be no point in the game anymore.
2) You do realise that physical and magical defense plays a part too? Reduction helps but there's no limit on defense. So that kills your whole argument right there.
3) You talk about the stereotype of tanks taking heavy damage. I could just as easily say that rogues are hard hitters(based off their stereotype)
4) Knights can have 15% lifesteal + 5% of your hp get restored per hit with seiryu and you're complaining?lol
5) Other classes don't simply get max reduction like knights. It actually takes a ton of work.
6) By your standards a knight it nothing without reduction. Reduction is useless if you don't even have HP or def to back it up.
7) You're an idiot and I'm hoping this request is a joke lol otherwise.... you truly are an idiot.
8) Seems like you're too lazy to put in the work. Slacker

We can call you a knigh-tard. You just want your class to be the best.Pathetic

I do believe i stated that they didn't need 100% last time i looked. And no i don't want my class to be the best i want it to be better so that you actually see more then 10-12 actual knight players on a server. The no limit on defence doesn't mean anything it takes 1k defence to lower a hit from a pve creature by 100. Also the reduction cap for all other classes except knights was 50% this is the reason i'm complaining since knights do cap out at 75 and always have the class itself has pointless skills in it that don't do anything once you reach that cap. So yes i want the toon itself to be changed. Again i do believe i said i knew that knights were really good for pve because of that lifesteal and reduction. However; again that doesn't help anything in pvp where a lot of people act overly cocky in because they can 1-3 hit anything that moves. Lol and too lazy to put the work in that's amusing, the reason being is 90% of the people don't put the work in they just sit their and cash for everything the only thing you have to put work or time into really is lvling because once you hit level 150 you can just sell 90% of the stuff you pick up and then buy all the pc you need to upgrade everything else. Yes i realize that getting all the other classes to 75% takes a lot of work considering they shouldn't even be able to in the first place and when is a rpg game not supposed to be stereotypical? Any game that gives you the 4 classic roles of knight, rogue, ranger and priest gives them the skills to stay true to that class and the different versions of them not role change them. Also yeah the rogue are hard hitters same with rangers because of how much crit chance and damage they do. So they do fit the stereotype. So if you're going to insult me go ahead i'm simplying suggesting they change the character a bit if they are going to give every other class the same reduction cap since the class has had issues for a while. So if that's all you have to argue with and will revert to insults you can just keep walking and laugh at me all you want i didn't post this here for you to pertain acting like a jackass. So good day to you madam or sir.

[xPrototypeT]

pvp in this game generally sucks it's suppose to be 1st to 1hit = win

knights can pvp it's called angelic, heard of it?

knight is best class in game either way...

knight most popular class in game, people who aren't knights even have decent knight alts cuz op for farming....

u make it seem like getting DR is easy as hell, I hope u realize how long it'll actually take a non knight to hit 65% let alone 75% which u claim to understand but you really don't, so what if cap is the same? the amount of work needed is a whole other lvl...

sure u can argue full ares blah blah but full ares suck, only a moron would do that lol

'the reason being is 90% of the people don't put the work in they just sit their and cash for everything' - 90% of people cash for everything????? who is ur dealer?? must be good stuff if u think 90% of people cash for everything, not even 9% lol and cashers are suppose to be OP like most games it's called P2W (pay to win).

150 doesn't matter, elites nice sure but everything it drops killed in price and ALL CLASSES have equal rate for that (melee more than ranged tho tbh)
all the good stuff like pow, puc still staying at same price.

'i didn't post this here for you to pertain acting like a jackass.'
maybe if u realized what ur suggesting you'd say otherwise...

in my opinion u just want to be lazy and have super op class well this isn't aura kingdom with shuriken (go read up on it and you'll understand)

[celestialbeing34]

pvp in this game generally sucks it's suppose to be 1st to 1hit = win

knights can pvp it's called angelic, heard of it?

knight is best class in game either way...

knight most popular class in game, people who aren't knights even have decent knight alts cuz op for farming....

u make it seem like getting DR is easy as hell, I hope u realize how long it'll actually take a non knight to hit 65% let alone 75% which u claim to understand but you really don't, so what if cap is the same? the amount of work needed is a whole other lvl...

sure u can argue full ares blah blah but full ares suck, only a moron would do that lol

'the reason being is 90% of the people don't put the work in they just sit their and cash for everything' - 90% of people cash for everything????? who is ur dealer?? must be good stuff if u think 90% of people cash for everything, not even 9% lol and cashers are suppose to be OP like most games it's called P2W (pay to win).

150 doesn't matter, elites nice sure but everything it drops killed in price and ALL CLASSES have equal rate for that (melee more than ranged tho tbh)
all the good stuff like pow, puc still staying at same price.

'i didn't post this here for you to pertain acting like a jackass.'
maybe if u realized what ur suggesting you'd say otherwise...

in my opinion u just want to be lazy and have super op class well this isn't aura kingdom with shuriken (go read up on it and you'll understand)

Of course everyone makes a knight for farming that's all a knight is good for is pve, angelic blessing doesn't do **** sure it gives you 7 seconds of invincibility and extra attack damage other then that it's useless what's the point of having that skill if you one aren't going to be able to catch your oppenents or be able to hit them. Have you ever played knight and tried to hit a rogue with over 100% dodge? you might hit every 3-4 strike and by that point they have nuked you. And yes i say 90% of people because all the people who play this game one are generally from an older server and have cashed before and when you do see new players that stick around after the 1st month of watching all these people cash they do cash as well. That's the reason they do all these server merges is because otherwise you'd have 10-40 cashers in a single server playing with their alts or piloting the accounts given to them because the other players got bored. And again I know getting DR isn't easy for the other classes i've already bloody acknowledged that so would you stop bringing it up time and time again. Because one if R2 kept the damage reduction for the other classes at 50% where it was this wouldn't have been an issue but with all the classes having it and the knight needing a re-work anyways since they increased every other toons reduc why not knights. Have you ever played a knight and used titan's guard when you were 75% reduc just to realize that it doesn't do anything because you're maxed? They keep making more knight classes that give reduction but no knight unless they strictly just pve will go for it because we cap so quickly. A knight only has one build path through out the entire game and that's protection tree till scion then you decide if you want shield of thorns or bloodlust. All knights will generally go for bloodlust in scion. Once they hit eido they finally get a little bit of leeway in the class because of the scion and eido skills and the lvl 130+ skills. Those are the only times a knight can finally truly pvp and even then it doesn't matter because at that point like you said the pvp in this game sucks it's whoever hits first. Why do you think you see so many rogues and rangers because pvp is the only place you can get puc from besides world bosses. So yes a knight can't do anything in pvp reason why people make decent ones for farming is because it is easier for a knight, but that's all a knight is so yes i'm going to complain because when this game came out in 2011 it was so much more fun all the classes were unique and op in their own way. Now if you want be able to play the game to it's fullest you make either a rogue ranger or bm. So no i don't just want to be lazy and have a super op class i want the game to be balanced again even with the cashers and non cashers which their are very few of.

[R21507247]

Other classes reduction was never capped. Tails had 72% mag and phys reduc for the last 2 years. It was just hard asf before. And working on your def does help o.o you're not going to get results right away. If you're too lazy to work on your def then I suggest you switch classes. You'll need def regardless but knights fixate on def. Knights aren't the only ones who can easily die in 1-3 hits, every class can if your stats are in the same range as theirs. If you're referring to the reduction skills those are just to help you until you'd be capable of having max reduc without the skills. As a starting out knight those reduc skills help a lot. Rogue's have the same **** witht heir crt % skills, the bonus crit from the skill is useless once you hit 115%crit . Think of it as training wheels.

"Sure knights can hit higher reductions faster but if you're going to change it so every class can have 75% reduction do you think you could change it so knights have 100% reduction?" You literally asked if knight can be immortal .

Also, regardless of the 150 map you still need to put in tons of work if you want to get strong. Mount is probably the best benefit from that map and theres a *** ton of other icons you can upgrade that isn't supported by the map. You're literally butthurt that your class isn't the best hence you asking that knights take no dmg at all. U might as well leave the game lol

Of course everyone makes a knight for farming that's all a knight is good for is pve, angelic blessing doesn't do **** sure it gives you 7 seconds of invincibility and extra attack damage other then that it's useless what's the point of having that skill if you one aren't going to be able to catch your oppenents or be able to hit them. Have you ever played knight and tried to hit a rogue with over 100% dodge? you might hit every 3-4 strike and by that point they have nuked you. And yes i say 90% of people because all the people who play this game one are generally from an older server and have cashed before and when you do see new players that stick around after the 1st month of watching all these people cash they do cash as well. That's the reason they do all these server merges is because otherwise you'd have 10-40 cashers in a single server playing with their alts or piloting the accounts given to them because the other players got bored. And again I know getting DR isn't easy for the other classes i've already bloody acknowledged that so would you stop bringing it up time and time again. Because one if R2 kept the damage reduction for the other classes at 50% where it was this wouldn't have been an issue but with all the classes having it and the knight needing a re-work anyways since they increased every other toons reduc why not knights. Have you ever played a knight and used titan's guard when you were 75% reduc just to realize that it doesn't do anything because you're maxed? They keep making more knight classes that give reduction but no knight unless they strictly just pve will go for it because we cap so quickly. A knight only has one build path through out the entire game and that's protection tree till scion then you decide if you want shield of thorns or bloodlust. All knights will generally go for bloodlust in scion. Once they hit eido they finally get a little bit of leeway in the class because of the scion and eido skills and the lvl 130+ skills. Those are the only times a knight can finally truly pvp and even then it doesn't matter because at that point like you said the pvp in this game sucks it's whoever hits first. Why do you think you see so many rogues and rangers because pvp is the only place you can get puc from besides world bosses. So yes a knight can't do anything in pvp reason why people make decent ones for farming is because it is easier for a knight, but that's all a knight is so yes i'm going to complain because when this game came out in 2011 it was so much more fun all the classes were unique and op in their own way. Now if you want be able to play the game to it's fullest you make either a rogue ranger or bm. So no i don't just want to be lazy and have a super op class i want the game to be balanced again even with the cashers and non cashers which their are very few of.

Lol you're prob one of them stereotypical knights like back when CS was kinda new. Always used to complain about rogues dodge because they didn't want to work on their agi. Theres multiple non cashing knights with well above 90% hit. Besides, don't knight have a skill that reduces the opponents dodge by 30%? and I said before skills like titans guard are like training wheels, they help you in the process of not needing them anymore. Also High movement speed + Fight On + a good hit% can easily counter a rogue + that skill that reduces dodge% if u need it. You're making the knight community look bad. Just b/c they're not OP as u want them to be doesn't mean they're not good.

[xPrototypeT]

it's funny you'd think u be the troll with ur signature but this other guy my my...

and yes I have played a knight I don't cash and have a knight alt (which i made from scratch) with about 90% hit rate xD and 99% sure stronger than u lol
called playing smart, something u seem far from.

knights can pvp it's called drag lol.. and knights have ms on sword to compensate

'Why do you think you see so many rogues and rangers because pvp is the only place you can get puc from besides world bosses.'
WHAT
WHAT
WHAT?????????????????????????????????????????????????????

how can.... WHAT

rb packs, corr, ladder, avr, cashing, from other players, pd, bdc (which elites drop....) all these give puc from top of my head...

sooner pve is done > more can farm compared to rest of classes so u wanna talk about balance...

and what troll is saying is true 100% dmg reduction is immortal what the point of playing then...???

[R21507247]

it's funny you'd think u be the troll with ur signature but this other guy my my...

and yes I have played a knight I don't cash and have a knight alt (which i made from scratch) with about 90% hit rate xD and 99% sure stronger than u lol
called playing smart, something u seem far from.

knights can pvp it's called drag lol.. and knights have ms on sword to compensate

'Why do you think you see so many rogues and rangers because pvp is the only place you can get puc from besides world bosses.'
WHAT
WHAT
WHAT?????????????????????????????????????????????????????

how can.... WHAT

rb packs, corr, ladder, avr, cashing, from other players, pd, bdc (which elites drop....) all these give puc from top of my head...

sooner pve is done > more can farm compared to rest of classes so u wanna talk about balance...

and what troll is saying is true 100% dmg reduction is immortal what the point of playing then...???

I'm more of an in-game troll#25I'll prob change the sig soon

[diablu]

You do realize that dmg red is not everything right? there are pdef and mdef too. Since the knights get it faster that other classes u can try different builds as all other classes will be looking for items and systems which increase their %. Then comes the fact that 75% red is already high and knights are already tanky enough so you dont need more.