[Promethean Wings I] nothing being done about its stats

[Aionyx]

What balance? Rogue & Priests rule the game.

ye dunno why Knight ain't in ur list,rogue meh can't fight a good knight,and priests bahaha better run unless they way op over knight... and running won't save um,Knight rules this game hands down end game

[sangofighter]

Priests..? Tbh dunno how many good Anti-Mage Rangers/Fire Mages there are in your server but from what I've seen/experienced Priests in no way rule the game..

Well i guess my server is a little messed up, there like barely anymore Mages around and even those around can't challenge the top players. So in my its basically a Rogue and many priests who are the top players.

[sangofighter]

Priests..? Tbh dunno how many good Anti-Mage Rangers/Fire Mages there are in your server but from what I've seen/experienced Priests in no way rule the game..

Well i guess my server is a little messed up, there are barely anymore Mages around and even those around can't challenge the top players. So in my its basically a Rogue and many priests who are the top players around.

[iyasn]

balancing and nerfing cashers is ur point then? cashings point is to make it unbalenced... thus uber stats from cashing things free players can't get.... perhaps they arn't nerfed,but perhaps u spend 8 grand and get them would u be here now on this subject QQing ur wings are too uber for ppl? lolol i think not,so the point i gather is,someones a lil hurt that someone has OP wings and wants something done about it... cuz obviously cashing isn't a option here... be honest... the sinister point i get from his rant is smack him in the face for cashing 8 grand... his idea is either to nerf the wings or add boosts/stats w/e to all wings but promo wings... interesting don't u think? so perhaps make him look like a idiot for cashing 8 grand when he coulda kept Divine wings and added boosts... seriously? so what again is ur point?

Firstly I would never spend 8 grand on wings, and secondly you don't get the point, people might have spent 8 grand to max divine wings but hey did they complain saying it costs too much gives us better stats? no they didn't and this was a mistake by R2 giving the wrong stats so its not a nerf its the real stats needed for the wings for this version.

[TheRaspberry]

Aionyx, it is useless to discuss with you if you just take what you want out of an argument and turn it around. Inform yourself first (regarding the nerf, the real stats etc. ) and then use common logic. But if you aren't able to achieve that, how can we blame R2 for not understanding what the real problem here is? Maybe they shouldn't have nerfed the rest of items in first place... Or maybe you forgot that Sperion and Ewings were casher items too, when they were first released. Did somebody (or the cashers) complain about the nerfed stats? See how useless your casher point is... it is not about cashing, how often do I have to write it?

[ShadowGammaDraco]

reason I said what I did is because like before when things get changed if they do which not saying it is or isn't. Is because things are often done in exchanges. or alterations like frag.
if a exchange had to be done, for a special vers for R2 based on feedback. then if the coders were savvy enough as usual it would be done through a NPC, or quest line. maybe a whole interface looking like the synth menu prob wouldn't be possible. but if code a quest right- then its easy= like rebirth quest costing dungeon/soul items and gold etc- or when first start the quest it requires you to consume some HP pots. basically just mean a req for quest or something. would be neat if that version then cost a little less to upgrade to the next stage noob reg vers of wings to then repeat.
pattern of upgrade:
[Ultimate Angel Lord +7] ->action complete quest line -> item [Ultimate Angel Lord +7 Augmented/Exalted] -> action upgrade to [Ultimate Angel Lord +8] wing interface.
if not possible to edit current wings, then creating new wings that interface with current would be most likely next suggestion if reply was no for that.
just my feedback to it though. will always support R2.

there are two forces which shape a suggestion &which will see it through best, counter productive and constructive. we must be mindful that we are trying to create a positive change&give our support to see that change, doesn't mean we can't be upset about how something is. doesn't mean that the stats are wrong, or that the people are wrong. =if don't positively support &drive for change, will only wreck the thread +possible chances of getting it proper attention. if we keep the thread good- it will attract more intellectual attention that will bring about more statistical information of likes in manners of what would we like to see exactly changed, voicing unique opinions is always good. though again I can't promise anything. will help the good suggestions always be heard and keep tabs on the threads. as there are other ones that have inclusions of subject manner of improving the wing system in other ways. so a reworking of things at some point would be nice in my opinion.
I do keep them informed of the suggestions that float around as well. &gm's do read them as can see from the costume thread before the contest thread I made. just like any other suggestion we just need to keep supporting it.

[Aionyx]

Aionyx, it is useless to discuss with you if you just take what you want out of an argument and turn it around. Inform yourself first (regarding the nerf, the real stats etc. ) and then use common logic. But if you aren't able to achieve that, how can we blame R2 for not understanding what the real problem here is? Maybe they shouldn't have nerfed the rest of items in first place... Or maybe you forgot that Sperion and Ewings were casher items too, when they were first released. Did somebody (or the cashers) complain about the nerfed stats? See how useless your casher point is... it is not about cashing, how often do I have to write it?

i dunno why either of u are in this thread or why this thread was made.... finally we get real stats and u two jokers want them nerfed how ironic... ur argument as to why they ain't nerfed is rather funny as in the long run maybe u'd get the wings but possibly becuz u 2 crybabies they'll be nerfed... seriously? the funny part is u cry now,but if either u had those wings, this thread wouldn't be made.... biased much? so technically this is about cashers,ur just hiding ur intent... incase ur clueless u want his and others wings nerfed,since it took cash to get them... who u aiming at?

[TheRaspberry]

It took cash to get Sperion/Ewings and some other stuff that got nerfed, too. Why haven't u screamed for real stats back then? Then we wouldn't have that thread here...

R2 just forgot to nerf them (like they forgot to deactivate the HP drain in AR), so now we mix nerfed and unnerfed stats. That's sounds logical to you and beneficial? Oh yeah, beneficial for you since you already have or are close to Extreme Divines. But pretend you are not where you are and think about the gap between those nerfed wings you have worked for for a long time and the new wings. Still no need to make a change? Still no feeling of "that's good for the balancing or not"? It is not about the people who cashed and surely not to punish them...

[Aionyx]

It took cash to get Sperion/Ewings and some other stuff that got nerfed, too. Why haven't u screamed for real stats back then? Then we wouldn't have that thread here...

R2 just forgot to nerf them (like they forgot to deactivate the HP drain in AR), so now we mix nerfed and unnerfed stats. That's sounds logical to you and beneficial? Oh yeah, beneficial for you since you already have or are close to Extreme Divines. But pretend you are not where you are and think about the gap between those nerfed wings you have worked for for a long time and the new wings. Still no need to make a change? Still no feeling of "that's good for the balancing or not"? It is not about the people who cashed and surely not to punish them...

nope... even if i wasn't in Divines i wouldn't QQ about it... tbh i doubt i'd think about it,play the game and the cards dealt,nerfed or not i really don't see a point to QQ about it,u two should be like well one of these days DW's will be like EW's and then we can get those pro wings.... u know like they did with sperions aswell... the things i QQ about make a lil more logical sense such as us cashers spending money on things and u free players getting it gave to u in events some months later...

[ShadowGammaDraco]

cashing should always be respected, as it helps support R2 &the game. supporting something or a place isn't always just cashing though. bit of a few things.
as can see I play a lot of games. its a common thing that after enough support certain things are given out a bit more freely. supply &demand. so if want to see a change will have to work together for it to improve everyone. as in end any change will effect everyone who plays.
an example would be like the critters voicing their opinion in my sig, those aren't what they normally look like- took my work into that. game bought long time ago, used to have a online function- doesn't anymore. each piece of that game used to be released like R2's pattern. if they made a new breed or meta room or agent etc, it would cost a bit of money- once people supported the company a lot or used what they bought to spread it to other players- other players who support the game got things as well, by spending time and energy getting it, was a chance that interacting with another critter in another world could possibly erase your critter forever if was killed. if bred, you get smarter&mutated child- or by participating in their events in forums etc.
in all other MMO's i've played it follows same pattern, release gets put out, costs a bit- players support- game supports back. similar to how movies etc are made and even other mmo's- if we want a change we need support and funding through all the means=continually playing the game, talking about cs to your friends&fam, supporting the game w $ etc etc. would prob use my kong acc to donate directly to R2 a bit when I can instead of cashing for crystal. have done it before to other games on kong before I came here, same as others- now a few of my low budget games play get updates more reg &even diff servers. but still follows same pattern, if its a nice high boosting item - it usually costs a bit of $. usually a way to earn it with a rare chance or through enough time spent in a game or eventually in a later patch something might be more available. time spent on stuff has value, undeniable fact. or ppl wouldn't feel robbed when they lose a character here- its time invested. possibly money as well.


What I would like to see from a spiffy new wing which could alter any grade or maybe certain tiers:
Attack and Cast speed boosts
HP boosts in large amount, like zodiac amounts, 25k+2%, 50k+5%, 75k+10%, 100k+15%
Improved frost rate and other rates, like feathered blessing boosted a bit more on augmented/exalted version(aug/exalted= base terms for model)
maybe more? whats everyone's opinion


reasons being=
priests always need attack speed, so do a few other classes if they know it or not.
hp boosts, void is really brutal, +few other things are just cruel for certain classes. wont be "unfair" to the cashers who invested into zodiac, because they would be able to get the same benefits, which stack on zodiac, so there would be absolutely no loss for cashers there. no unfairness to anyone.
improved feathered blessing and frost etc, reason being void yet again. and also pvp. would make pvp a bit more interesting if it wasn't just a who draws first type thing. basically we need a round boost to our stats when fighting. easy way to compare is to look at a new server, sengs take forever- the whole hr- the imbalances between classes can really be shown there. not saying we should get invincibility, but a lot of classes are aimed at that already. can only complain a bit about that myself as I am a mage, however my invincibility skill isn't as great as a lot of other classes skills, makes me a sitting duck while any attempt to do otherwise is pre programed flaw in a class which pokes a gain for another class.
point is. trying to pvp as certain classes in end game, against casher or not seems really flawed. there is balance to it but its also been imbalanced from the beginning as in every MMO or game. &if they release new pvp gear here &its not better then evil beast- it wouldn't really help the top people. and only slightly help anyone who doesn't have it -even in fact make it near impossible for some to gain it if they have to pvp with highest end geared people, and how the skills are set up, not even highest geared people just wisely skilled and certain classes reign huge. not that I'm saying the weakest person should be able to 1 hit the strongest. just similar to wartunes= even if lose the battle match gain some a bit. seng already follows that pattern a bit. losing team still gets a reward however it is small.
but also stats that will actually help each class would be nice. knights have a capped damage reduc, I've been hearing a lot of people say they've hit the cap a while ago. so they can't even get any use out of the added reduction. yet rouges can have like 120% dodge or more I think. things like that should be minded when re altering stats I believe.
Less I'm lacking a bit of mental vision here, &things will be done bigger. again not a promise, just snowballing a concept matrix here.
I don't want to see a change that is supposed to be good if it was to happen to be useless. would be killer to see class specific beefed up wings. = all the basics a class would need +some extra that would really help that specific class- maybe a skill as well. like tamalan or something- remember there was those skills offered outside of event before as a special giveaway from NPC

[TheRaspberry]

Aionyx, nice try. But again u are talking about things you don't know and don't care about. I got my Sperion maxed way before iob came out. Stop QQing.

[Aionyx]

Aionyx, nice try. But again u are talking about things you don't know and don't care about. I got my Sperion maxed way before iob came out. Stop QQing.

seriously dude only QQing is coming from u 2 crybabies... now **** or cash or wait done talking to either u... cuz ur so conceded in ur on rational thoughts of balence as u call it,u don't see the whole picture or perhaps one day u might be in Prome wings... so w/e dude

[TheRaspberry]

I would not hold my breath if I wear you... Just because you don't understand, doesn't mean that no one else is allowed to post here. And even as a Casher you cannot mute me! Seriously, get over it. Too scared that they actually could change something? LOL

[Aionyx]

I would not hold my breath if I wear you... Just because you don't understand, doesn't mean that no one else is allowed to post here. And even as a Casher you cannot mute me! Seriously, get over it. Too scared that they actually could change something? LOL

i could care less if they did change it... i find it ironic everyone QQ legacy has the real stuff and we get nerfed stuff and when we do its like oh gawd plz nerf it.... funny stuff but regardless if they do nerf them i hope one day when u get them u'll slap urself thats all look at the whole picture and not at just the present.... yalls just so conceded cuz ur stuck on the now.... look they give ew's away like crazy i bet u have divines tho right cuz i bet u alt farmed ews huh but regardless think about it in the same terms maybe DW's will be easier for all to get... then u can delete this thread and ur argument then huh? just like the other dude saying idc if he spent 8 grand on DW's.... really... i'm just gonna laugh if they nerf them cuz u 2's conceded "NOW" thinking ends up sticking u in the back when u can get prome wings is all

[iyasn]

I want to see other peoples thoughts on this not just yours Aionyx, TheRaspberry its best you don't bother replying to him/her cause it only fires him/her up. I like shadowgamma suggestion but only thing is I doubt it will be used.