Strategies to defeat Claw?

[ohkitsune]

Yeah if you have that much resources to be putting a level 80 angel with level 11 cherub stone on a 4th, or even 3rd hero, and enough extra gem enhancement and gems for a 4th hero to not die in 1 hit, wouldn't you think such a player would not have trouble against a claw build..?

And to pain..500khp~ really? If your BC can hit for almost 1mil to a 200k pdef player, you think a mediocre dps can't one shot a 500k hp ner/ac...?

im a free player lvl68 been playing for almost 3 months and got 1 lvl11 cherub and x2 lvl9 and i will rank on top100 at best , top200 at worst on on CS tycoon , second amora/nyssa/aoede have max lvl75 , so yeah getting that high GA is not hard , specially when u deploy angels like Glacial and save u alot of resources for GA, for gem enhacing getting it to 50% is cheap as ****

[vhunter77]

I'm seeing a LOT of people on my server, going to the Claw only method... they pour almost everything into the Claw and boost it way up, and usually inherit every other character to the Claw. I'm seeing people only use two characters now, the main toon and the claw, and thats it.

One person told me to stock up on End gems. I did, I dont know if that helped or not. Maybe. Are there any other strategies that can help withstand this Claw thing?

why can u accept that u can't beat player with super claw? end of story.

[MagusRynd]

as a person using IRB myself, i am only worried when im facing arcane spirit, especially a strong one, who my claw cant take down with one trigger. aside from stun, which is a chance proc, what really hurts my claw is ATK debuff.

[uxu4n]

why can u accept that u can't beat player with super claw? end of story.

Yes...or that...accept that if you want to beat them. Build a bigger and badder claw is the only way...not even Earth Shaker will work.

[uxu4n]

Ye you'd probably beat me, I'm simply not gearing up to beat heavy cashers as of right now as it would hinder me on other points. Just time is needed for weaker people to catch up to the rest. I still haven't even beaten libra (22k dodge with buffs and still getting hit almost everytime), so got a long way to go. In a month or two, dodge builds would probably be completely useless once people realize how devastating charm totem is to them.
Claw and Valkyrie built with same amount of resources... valkyrie would still die in 1 hit even after the damage reduction. If valkyrie has a revival armor, astral/nereida would finish her off. So it's still 1 turn to deal with her and since Valkyrie doesn't hit hard enough, it's doubtful that she'll kill either one (unless no resources were spent on them like I guess a lot of IRB players do), so the rage loop continues. But even so, you've got to ask yourself the question, is it worth it investing in a hero just to deal with those weak players? After a while they'll build their heroes up and you'll be stuck with a Valkyrie that doesn't do damage, and she's bad for PvE content at the later stages as well. Even Dark Valkyrie is pretty bad later on. There are ways to deal with the build without sacrificing your future strength.
As far as "normal attacking first turn nowadays", you'd be surprised. It's full of people who think that having full Godly set makes them stronger. Even when used on heroes with reduced rage cap, it still hinders them too much due to the 12% less damage.

And blahblah11, mediocre heroes don't hit for 500k without a crit and it's doubtful they'd get a crit once I fix my gems for that (currently need different gems for something else).

I did mention using valk as off hero right? Whoever is asking this question please do not take me the wrong way. Valk/Dark Valk skill ratio is only decent so please only do just enough for speed and revive. Do not upgrade! Focus on whatever else you use as main hero. Valk is there to buy you 1-2 turns...not meant to use her as main hero.

[Painindaback]

I did mention using valk as off hero right? Whoever is asking this question please do not take me the wrong way. Valk/Dark Valk skill ratio is only decent so please only do just enough for speed and revive. Do not upgrade! Focus on whatever else you use as main hero. Valk is there to buy you 1-2 turns...not meant to use her as main hero.

That's the thing... resources can be transfered to another hero, HoC cards can't. For the cards you can get valkyrie/dark valkyrie you could actually get an Arcane spirit/ES/Envoy. All 3 of those heroes will get an evolution as well. So getting either one of the valkyries will be quite detrimental. Even if you buy valkyrie off the Cross Shop, that would prevent you from getting say Alecta.

[uxu4n]

That's the thing... resources can be transfered to another hero, HoC cards can't. For the cards you can get valkyrie/dark valkyrie you could actually get an Arcane spirit/ES/Envoy. All 3 of those heroes will get an evolution as well. So getting either one of the valkyries will be quite detrimental. Even if you buy valkyrie off the Cross Shop, that would prevent you from getting say Alecta.

You are right. That's why i never recommend valk unless in this context. It really depends on who is ur major competition. Big claw + speedy dark valk beats super claw alone if resources are comparable but will have no advantage against Super ES. Teams with dark valk also beats super thunderlord for the same reason.

So as i said. Valk does NOT work against ES. Im simply giving suggestion to OP based on his question which is how to beat claw. So in the end, it is up to OP to decide whether it is worth it to recruit valk and possibly upgrade to dark valk and also give her agi gems and at least two pieces of godly gear to counter claw/thunderlord builds.

If he thinks nope. Then only way is as vhunter said. Just accept it. U cannot beat them. Not without a bigger and badder claw or ES or thunderlord (which might beat claw because of that debuff+ in the near future, u can easily upgrade thunderlord agility to unreal numbers with new systems not yet released) like i said. Thunderlord wont really work unless that debuff lands btw. Currently it is almost impossible for thunderlord to kill an equal claw in one shot and that damage increase is gonna be really bad.

[Painindaback]

You are right. That's why i never recommend valk unless in this context. It really depends on who is ur major competition. Big claw + speedy dark valk beats super claw alone if resources are comparable but will have no advantage against Super ES. Teams with dark valk also beats super thunderlord for the same reason.

So as i said. Valk does NOT work against ES. Im simply giving suggestion to OP based on his question which is how to beat claw. So in the end, it is up to OP to decide whether it is worth it to recruit valk and possibly upgrade to dark valk and also give her agi gems and at least two pieces of godly gear to counter claw/thunderlord builds.

If he thinks nope. Then only way is as vhunter said. Just accept it. U cannot beat them. Not without a bigger and badder claw or ES or thunderlord (which might beat claw because of that debuff+ in the near future, u can easily upgrade thunderlord agility to unreal numbers with new systems not yet released) like i said. Thunderlord wont really work unless that debuff lands btw. Currently it is almost impossible for thunderlord to kill an equal claw in one shot and that damage increase is gonna be really bad.

Yes, but any of those 3 heroes I mentioned are better in dealing with Claw builds. Even though, they are still not even close to a counter.
And by the way, fought a 500k br thunder lord that was faster than my claw.. still got 1 hit through the debuff. Even the stuns don't seem to help that much when the heroes are even. IRB with thunder lord might help though, against players that can't hit back row.. but I'd still not bet on it. There are just ways to counter everything even without changing heroes

[R268504349]

i have claw with 430k BR rite now. is it good to change it to ES?
or still keep improving it up? or any suggest? still thinking between LE or ES for next big HOC coming.
i use IRB v.1, so all of u may have now the composition of the party..

[vhunter77]

Yes...or that...accept that if you want to beat them. Build a bigger and badder claw is the only way...not even Earth Shaker will work.

my ES ate any claw for dinner

[Painindaback]

my ES ate any claw for dinner

Didn't one hit mine though :P and I did 1 mln damage back . No fire totem/nereida/valiant banner sucks in TA

[uxu4n]

my ES ate any claw for dinner

That sentense was trolling XD.

[vastilos]

Lol... you need to come up with a better party build and/or strategy. I destroy people that use the infinite rage builds and claw only builds. And no I'm not a casher. And my party only consists of Djinni, Valkyrie, KoB, Claw and my main.

[MagusRynd]

Lol... you need to come up with a better party build and/or strategy. I destroy people that use the infinite rage builds and claw only builds. And no I'm not a casher. And my party only consists of Djinni, Valkyrie, KoB, Claw and my main.

you sir have prolly only faced claws with less than 200k PATK :P

[Painindaback]

http://ua9-loa.r2games.com/share.php...254478877bc8ad
Looking a bit better now, still can't beat libra for higher damage though