I'm Done

[hunuot]

"easy to counter" people say, but if you run a dragon totem lined up with their spiritsoul totem, you are essentially giving up your totem slot completely to effectively turn their spiritsoul into a dragon totem. Either you were already running the dragon totem and you lose that rage (and quite likely a lot of skill attacks due to your rage engine breaking down), or you were running Fire Totem and you lose +20% Damage (and your opponent no longer has -20% damage).

"just rearrange your formation so it doesn't affect you" would be the next response, but that doesn't work when you're the defender, like say in CS Tournament and you're in top 10 (or even top 50) and trying to defend your spot: When the opponent is the attacker, they get to dictate the terms of the attack and line themselves up against you. In Cross Server, you can't change formation after it starts so if you pick the wrong one you're stuck. In CS Team Tournament it's a game of chicken, who can get the last change in to their formation.

And after all that, even if you get your team lined up so it has 0% effect on you, they still effectively have a Dragon Totem for 12 turns. Spiritsoul Totem almost completely makes dragon totem obsolete, with the only exceptions being niche cases where that extra 5 rage a turn makes a difference (which is pretty much just edge case IRB-type scenarios).

[blahblah11]

^ Is what most people who never had a stable build seem to not understand how broken this totem is to the current meta of the game. You can't simply counter it with a dragon, if you were not running a dragon before you're giving up a totem for nothing, if you were running a dragon before its completely useless. Sure more than half of the player that will get this totem won't know how to use it correctly, however those that will, will gain a huge advantage over those that do not have one.

[Bumelum]

Well I look forward having fun with this totem xD

[Mahlstrom]

The GM at 227are just trolls. i did quitted instant!
And i can feel your pain.

[Painindaback]

Warrior with genesis mail and 50/50 dragonsoul and a striker that can wipe enemies fast enough=gg wp spiritsoul totem.
And losing a fire totem ain't such a big deal, my GW can still one hit 2 mln+ hp targets without it and he can get one hit with it as well. I guess the problem would be, that I won't be able to use charm totem.. but oh well.

The only big issue I see with this totem, is that we are still unable to check what other players' totems are. But I guess that goes both ways.

[MagusRynd]

"easy to counter" people say, but if you run a dragon totem lined up with their spiritsoul totem, you are essentially giving up your totem slot completely to effectively turn their spiritsoul into a dragon totem. Either you were already running the dragon totem and you lose that rage (and quite likely a lot of skill attacks due to your rage engine breaking down), or you were running Fire Totem and you lose +20% Damage (and your opponent no longer has -20% damage).

"just rearrange your formation so it doesn't affect you" would be the next response, but that doesn't work when you're the defender, like say in CS Tournament and you're in top 10 (or even top 50) and trying to defend your spot: When the opponent is the attacker, they get to dictate the terms of the attack and line themselves up against you. In Cross Server, you can't change formation after it starts so if you pick the wrong one you're stuck. In CS Team Tournament it's a game of chicken, who can get the last change in to their formation.

And after all that, even if you get your team lined up so it has 0% effect on you, they still effectively have a Dragon Totem for 12 turns. Spiritsoul Totem almost completely makes dragon totem obsolete, with the only exceptions being niche cases where that extra 5 rage a turn makes a difference (which is pretty much just edge case IRB-type scenarios).

this exactly is my point. youre wasting yer totem just to counter only one effect of spiritsoul.

not to mention, many use dragon totem with LE to skip second rager. their build totally useless now.

only those with LE / nereida / child would be relatively safer. why i say relatively safer is cus theyll have to sacrifice a totem to keep their build working. also, theyll only be able to do that when attacking. while defending, theyre just as vulnerable

[Freedom1987]

So in other words, raw stats will decide the battle outcome in the end , tactics will come in to play but not as much as the need for raw power to overwhelm your opponents.

[MagusRynd]

actually, no. the one using spiritsoul can still use spiritsoul+LE as a makeshift rage build

only when both have spiritsoul, will the game be decided by the raw power

[kaitsuna]

Totem itself isn't really the problem here - it was coming eventually, thing was sitting in Totem Diagrams for forever, and there's more like it on Chinese servers. It'll change up the game meta, but people's strategies will evolve to meet it.

It's just absurd they're giving out a ruby Spiritsoul totem for first place this beach treasure - puts all the previous prizes to shame. Heck, even a ruby totem in general seems worth more than the last first-place prize. Can I refund my prizes from last beach treasure so I can win this one?

[Freedom1987]

Not when your opposite party also have Spirit Soul, rage draining on both team simultaneously if placed on same row. But the thing I am not sure about is, I know for a fact 1 or the other side goes first with totem effect initiation, so suppose you go first with same lvl Spirit Soul on same position lining, but then your opponent does the same, so the rage you gained is dropped if the opponent goes after you, also the opponent gains back the rage your totem dropped. Isn't that counter productive? And I am just not sure what decides which side totem goes first if they are both maxed out similar lvls on both Spirit Soul totems.

[uxu4n]

Not when your opposite party also have Spirit Soul, rage draining on both team simultaneously if placed on same row. But the thing I am not sure about is, I know for a fact 1 or the other side goes first with totem effect initiation, so suppose you go first with same lvl Spirit Soul on same position lining, but then your opponent does the same, so the rage you gained is dropped if the opponent goes after you, also the opponent gains back the rage your totem dropped. Isn't that counter productive? And I am just not sure what decides which side totem goes first if they are both maxed out similar lvls on both Spirit Soul totems.

Effects cancel each other out. The max rage u can carry is 150 and max starting is like 105? so initially the rage will just add up without hitting cap and then get decreased so basically the effects cancel each other out.

[kiowa29]

And I am just not sure what decides which side totem goes first if they are both maxed out similar lvls on both Spirit Soul totems.

I'm Pretty sure it's always the defenders totem who strikes first.

[Freedom1987]

Effects cancel each other out. The max rage u can carry is 150 and max starting is like 105? so initially the rage will just add up without hitting cap and then get decreased so basically the effects cancel each other out.

lol this is what happens when you think way too much into it, the answer was right in front of me. Thanks btw.

[MagusRynd]

Not when your opposite party also have Spirit Soul, rage draining on both team simultaneously if placed on same row. But the thing I am not sure about is, I know for a fact 1 or the other side goes first with totem effect initiation, so suppose you go first with same lvl Spirit Soul on same position lining, but then your opponent does the same, so the rage you gained is dropped if the opponent goes after you, also the opponent gains back the rage your totem dropped. Isn't that counter productive? And I am just not sure what decides which side totem goes first if they are both maxed out similar lvls on both Spirit Soul totems.

like i said, only when both sides have spiritsoul totems, will the game be decided by raw power.

problem is when only one will have spiritsoul totem, and that will be most of the times.

also, i dunno what criteria decides which totem goes first in the first turn, but it alternates after that.

[Freedom1987]

Uhh! no you didn't say that until I pointed that out. And about multiple Spirit Soul totem which goes first won't matter, it's been answered by uxu4n, will cancel each other out.