Counter measures for Spirit Soul totem

[Painindaback]

that was basic point about angel's dodge debuff. Angel will act min at 2nd turn. And this chance, ya, I agree )

First actually, you can make an angel to strike every single turn. Just need developed heroes and some luck.

[hunuot]

First actually, you can make an angel to strike every single turn. Just need developed heroes and some luck.

I assume you're talking about the Weapon Rune ability, which gives a chance to increase angel rage by 10 every time the hero casts a skill. I'm a bit bored, so let's do some math.

• Said Weapon Rune Skill starts at a 20% chance to activate at level 1, and increases by 3% per level (so 47% at Weapon rune level 10).
• When the Weapon Rune Skill activates, your angel's rage increases by 10.
• In order for your angel to attack every turn, you would need to generate 50 rage each turn. Elementary school arithmetic says this means 5 activations a turn.
• You can have 5 heroes active on your team, and each one other than your main can cast 1 skill per turn. I have heard all 3 of your main's skills (Trigger, Partner, and Finisher) have a chance to proc the Weapon Rune Skill, so that's a total of 7 chances to activate the skill each turn. Just in case that's wrong, I'll present the math for both 5 and 7 chances.

So here is the list:

• Level 01 - 20% chance: 5 out of 5 = 0.032%, 5 out of 7 = 00.467%
• Level 02 - 23% chance: 5 out of 5 = 0.064%, 5 out of 7 = 00.885%
• Level 03 - 26% chance: 5 out of 5 = 0.119%, 5 out of 7 = 01.534%
• Level 04 - 29% chance: 5 out of 5 = 0.205%, 5 out of 7 = 02.484%
• Level 05 - 32% chance: 5 out of 5 = 0.336%, 5 out of 7 = 03.804%
• Level 06 - 35% chance: 5 out of 5 = 0.525%, 5 out of 7 = 05.561%
• Level 07 - 38% chance: 5 out of 5 = 0.792%, 5 out of 7 = 07.817%
• Level 08 - 41% chance: 5 out of 5 = 1.159%, 5 out of 7 = 10.626%
• Level 09 - 44% chance: 5 out of 5 = 1.649%, 5 out of 7 = 14.024%
• Level 10 - 47% chance: 5 out of 5 = 2.293%, 5 out of 7 = 18.035%

To summarize, if you do in fact have 7 chances, AND if you have a full team of heroes with each hero at weapon rune level 8, AND if they are all casting their skills every turn (including your main casting partner and finisher skills every turn), you have a 10% chance of your angel attacking in two consecutive turns. For reference, Even Burning doesn't have all 5 of his heroes at weapon rune level 8 (he's at 8,8,7,7,6); oneee2 is arguably closer, with (10,9,9,9,2), but she's not running a build that would let her heroes skill every turn.


Perhaps I missed something though, and there is another method of generating angel rage. If that is the case please do enlighten me, I am eager to learn.

[Painindaback]

Perhaps I missed something though, and there is another method of generating angel rage. If that is the case please do enlighten me, I am eager to learn.

Your math says it's possible, so why argue? I did mention that you'll need luck, but it's still possible.
And as far as another method to get rage... there's one, but it's just for first turn.

[ohkitsune]

derp post , ignore -_-

[blahblah11]

Your math says it's possible, so why argue? I did mention that you'll need luck, but it's still possible.
And as far as another method to get rage... there's one, but it's just for first turn.

Yeah lets just argue everything based on luck, also let me waste an aegis skill, and then even better let me waste an aegis blessing just so angel can have extra 25 rage. Fool proof strategy.

[Painindaback]

Yeah lets just argue everything based on luck, also let me waste an aegis skill, and then even better let me waste an aegis blessing just so angel can have extra 25 rage. Fool proof strategy.

Seriously, what's wrong with you guys? I said it's possible, didn't say it's a good strategy... Do you just want something to argue about? If so, I could find you something and make fun of you like I did before.

[vhunter77]

First actually, you can make an angel to strike every single turn. Just need developed heroes and some luck.

stop this non sense. the % that actually will happen is so low.

[Painindaback]

stop this non sense. the % that actually will happen is so low.

... where did I say that it's high? Where did I say that it's low?
Did you read any other posts? I said that it's possible, that means it CAN HAPPEN. Maybe it won't happen every time, maybe it won't happen every 10th fight. But it can still happen. That's what possible means.
Start reading comments before you post.

[Raphangelo]

... where did I say that it's high? Where did I say that it's low?
Did you read any other posts? I said that it's possible, that means it CAN HAPPEN. Maybe it won't happen every time, maybe it won't happen every 10th fight. But it can still happen. That's what possible means.
Start reading comments before you post.

It is possible that I can win lottery 1st prize every week.


Hey, did I say that the chance is high?
Did you read my sentence properly? I said that it's possible, that means it CAN HAPPEN. Maybe it won't happen every time, maybe it won't happen every 10th time, But it can still happen. That's what possible means.

Stop writing nonsense before you think.



In all seriousness, if you want your angel to attack every turn. You probably need to drop alot of $$ like icehunter or someone in EST server. (you know one of those big names in cs-tycoon) and get insanely high runestone upgrade on weapon (lvl 10?) on all heroes. Then we can talk.

If you only have lvl 1 weapon runestone upgrade on all 5 heroes, then you won't get that happen ever. Maybe you can get angel to attack every 2 turns if lucky.

I think theory-craft is good, but dragging on %/possibilities too far is just nonsense.



For a descent tip, if you have high weapon runetstone upgrade on your main, AND your main uses 3 skills on turn 1 THEN it is possible to get +30 angel rage from your main on turn 1 alone. Thats a big if though.

[Painindaback]

It is possible that I can win lottery 1st prize every week.


Hey, did I say that the chance is high?
Did you read my sentence properly? I said that it's possible, that means it CAN HAPPEN. Maybe it won't happen every time, maybe it won't happen every 10th time, But it can still happen. That's what possible means.

Stop writing nonsense before you think.



In all seriousness, if you want your angel to attack every turn. You probably need to drop alot of $$ like icehunter or someone in EST server. (you know one of those big names in cs-tycoon) and get insanely high runestone upgrade on weapon (lvl 10?) on all heroes. Then we can talk.

If you only have lvl 1 weapon runestone upgrade on all 5 heroes, then you won't get that happen ever. Maybe you can get angel to attack every 2 turns if lucky.

I think theory-craft is good, but dragging on %/possibilities too far is just nonsense.



For a descent tip, if you have high weapon runetstone upgrade on your main, AND your main uses 3 skills on turn 1 THEN it is possible to get +30 angel rage from your main on turn 1 alone. Thats a big if though.

Did I argue that you can't win the lottery? No, so why did you use it as an example? If after you say that something is possible and I disagree with it, then you can write something like that. Otherwise you just look like someone who's just looking for attention by writing random stuff without thinking over them.
People these days...

[CafeAuLait]

actually amused reading this thread... I missed the SpiritSoul Totem due to being in hospital with pneumonia but I still just move my guys and beat people with it. Why make a big song and dance about needing certain things when you can just use what you have to a better outcome?

[Raphangelo]

Did I argue that you can't win the lottery? No, so why did you use it as an example? If after you say that something is possible and I disagree with it, then you can write something like that. Otherwise you just look like someone who's just looking for attention by writing random stuff without thinking over them.
People these days...

Read the full reply. I did reply w/ useful info below supporting your low-%-near impossible chance-theorycraft argument for 99% of players in LoA. Of course if you wanna cash for runestones for your theorycraft to work. You should go at it.


People [reading] these days... [is useful]

[Painindaback]

Read the full reply. I did reply w/ useful info below supporting your low-%-near impossible chance-theorycraft argument for 99% of players in LoA. Of course if you wanna cash for runestones for your theorycraft to work. You should go at it.


People [reading] these days... [is useful]

I did read it before writing my comment, should that have changed it? Do you not realize that if you support something, by using sarcasm against it, is just as if you aren't supporting it?
People [understanding what they write themselves] these days... [so rare]

[Raphangelo]

I did read it before writing my comment, should that have changed it? Do you not realize that if you support something, by using sarcasm against it, is just as if you aren't supporting it?
People [understanding what they write themselves] these days... [so rare]

I am glad you noticed the sarcasm. yet I am saddened that you don't see the problems w/ your original argument/theory/logic.

Supporting does not mean agreeing everything. You arent my girlfriend and your claim to new players may potentially hinder their resources/$ spending. You really want to give poor advice and drain their wallets?
I actually supported your argument w/ my reasonings. and of course sarcasm.

I am not gonna spend time to do the math for you. Grab your calculator and multiply stuff for chances out of 5 heroes and maximum of 7 spells (main can do upto 3, as I stated). Then there is your chances. Probably not as low as winning a lottery every week, but surely very low.

Good science/research always comes up and agree w/ the current theory or against it.


I am glad that you are doing theorycrafting but my argument was simply supplementing your original argument and I reasoned w/ it.
However you seem to be going away from your original 'work' (your logic) and play w/ forum-pissing contest.


I think new players who end up reading these forum stuff for knowledge in LoA would prefer to have ideas based on:
1) Practical use for most players including free, moderate casher or even 'heavy cashers' except extreme cashers.
2) Realistic probability. Not something with extreme low chances


People make mistakes. I make mistakes too. This is your mistake. Accept and move on other than clinging on 'rudeness' or forum flaming. You need to step back and realize something if multiple people saying your theorycraft isnt feasible or realistic. Especially when a player who probably has 5 heroes w/ weapon runestone unlocked saying that they never seen it.

I also gave you an alternative option saying that it is potentially possible to have angel's aegis proc every 2 turns. I didn't flat-out crush your argument.

Hope you feel better and sleep on it.

[Raphangelo]

I assume you're talking about the Weapon Rune ability, which gives a chance to increase angel rage by 10 every time the hero casts a skill. I'm a bit bored, so let's do some math.

• Said Weapon Rune Skill starts at a 20% chance to activate at level 1, and increases by 3% per level (so 47% at Weapon rune level 10).
• When the Weapon Rune Skill activates, your angel's rage increases by 10.
• In order for your angel to attack every turn, you would need to generate 50 rage each turn. Elementary school arithmetic says this means 5 activations a turn.
• You can have 5 heroes active on your team, and each one other than your main can cast 1 skill per turn. I have heard all 3 of your main's skills (Trigger, Partner, and Finisher) have a chance to proc the Weapon Rune Skill, so that's a total of 7 chances to activate the skill each turn. Just in case that's wrong, I'll present the math for both 5 and 7 chances.

So here is the list:

• Level 01 - 20% chance: 5 out of 5 = 0.032%, 5 out of 7 = 00.467%
• Level 02 - 23% chance: 5 out of 5 = 0.064%, 5 out of 7 = 00.885%
• Level 03 - 26% chance: 5 out of 5 = 0.119%, 5 out of 7 = 01.534%
• Level 04 - 29% chance: 5 out of 5 = 0.205%, 5 out of 7 = 02.484%
• Level 05 - 32% chance: 5 out of 5 = 0.336%, 5 out of 7 = 03.804%
• Level 06 - 35% chance: 5 out of 5 = 0.525%, 5 out of 7 = 05.561%
• Level 07 - 38% chance: 5 out of 5 = 0.792%, 5 out of 7 = 07.817%
• Level 08 - 41% chance: 5 out of 5 = 1.159%, 5 out of 7 = 10.626%
• Level 09 - 44% chance: 5 out of 5 = 1.649%, 5 out of 7 = 14.024%
• Level 10 - 47% chance: 5 out of 5 = 2.293%, 5 out of 7 = 18.035%

To summarize, if you do in fact have 7 chances, AND if you have a full team of heroes with each hero at weapon rune level 8, AND if they are all casting their skills every turn (including your main casting partner and finisher skills every turn), you have a 10% chance of your angel attacking in two consecutive turns. For reference, Even Burning doesn't have all 5 of his heroes at weapon rune level 8 (he's at 8,8,7,7,6); oneee2 is arguably closer, with (10,9,9,9,2), but she's not running a build that would let her heroes skill every turn.


Perhaps I missed something though, and there is another method of generating angel rage. If that is the case please do enlighten me, I am eager to learn.

Damn I shoulda read 1st/2nd page before I reply lol. someone DID the math already.




Edit: I just made useless replies/comments on angel thing that most know it was a bad idea. I shoulda read 1st/2nd page post instead of just flat-out replying only reading the 3rd page.

after all, he only said it is possible w/ luck. So there was nothing wrong w/ it.

It just sounded like winning lottery every week to me. Hey, it is possible just need some luck.

sorry for dragging shoulda-been a dead post