Hecate Needs to be Nerfed! That hero is way overpowered!

[R2352025]

hehe my build is epic costly, lol but i've already got my counter formation =).. anyhow i think we need to encourage every1 to do that qing build ... just u wait until we get a rage drainer hero, LOL

[noobero]

You dont need to cash at all to counter this formation, just need a brain lol

[Pyro_420]

Actually, let's speak like boy to man(I'm obviously the boy). What I'm doing is explaining the flaws of his team's formation, something that "fans" can't seem to see. I don't have a personal vendetta against him or anything, the only issue I have with him is his willingness to abuse a bug as much as he can before it gets fixed. As far as "reaping the benefits from them against people who never truly learn how to set up a party properly? That is what seperates the men from the boys so to speak". Are you saying with this that those who abuse bugs are the superior ones? By "them" I assume you meant the bugs? That's the only logical assumption based on your sentence.
And as far as enjoyment goes, do you enjoy fighting someone who you're superior to? Or would you rather fight someone who's superior to you and defeating him?
That would show us what kind of person you are
And R2352025, it's hard to copy your build due to $ spent But even so, a build like yours is easy to defeat, so long as everyone's on even footing. And even though you get a push through $ early on, in the later stages even a free player could defeat you with ease.

No Pain you misunderstood. I was referring to people who haven't learned how to capitalize on the weakness in his build when I mentioned men and boys. I don't consider either of you superior to each other, but more as equals with regard to knowledge of game mechanics and how to exploit them, but you obviously chose to take the high road and show everyone else that you can win without using the bugs, so my hat's off to you man. And yes I agree with winning against a superior opponent, but if they are superior, how do you know for sure if you can beat them? Sounds like a catch 22 there lol. I'm guessing you are referring to luck based skills like stuns and proc's from aegis then with regard to wins against superior opponents...like when only your main or one hero is left on your side with a sliver of hp?

[R2352025]

You dont need to cash at all to counter this formation, just need a brain lol

u need a brain for everything but it more fun when there only afew brain out there.. no good when there too many =) so shhh!!!

[Painindaback]

No Pain you misunderstood. I was referring to people who haven't learned how to capitalize on the weakness in his build when I mentioned men and boys. I don't consider either of you superior to each other, but more as equals with regard to knowledge of game mechanics and how to exploit them, but you obviously chose to take the high road and show everyone else that you can win without using the bugs, so my hat's off to you man. And yes I agree with winning against a superior opponent, but if they are superior, how do you know for sure if you can beat them? Sounds like a catch 22 there lol. I'm guessing you are referring to luck based skills like stuns and proc's from aegis then with regard to wins against superior opponents...like when only your main or one hero is left on your side with a sliver of hp?

As far as the misunderstanding goes, I didn't, but you should've written your sentence in a different way not to confuse others. Because "them" after a sentence regarding using bugs leads to only one conclusion
And you can see whether you can beat someone superior to you, by actually fighting them. In the team tournament I beat a 800k br player after I had had another fight with a 600k br player, by being 600k myself. And almost (5% hp) beat 850k br player with hecate and 9 star angel. Don't really know how lucky I got regarding skills/crits and so on, since the logs were bugged. But even so I prefer having such fights, rather than one sided ones where no matter what happens you know you can win.

[R2352025]

eh everything is one sided nowdays =)

[Pyro_420]

Ok Pain so you are talking about long grueling epic battles that last for several turns then? At my level I rarely see battles that last much more than 2 angel attacks, so I don't know what it's like at 70+ I'd rather not see several rounds of endless heals and damage and going back and forth like a tennis match personally. If I wanted to see pvp like that, I'd go back to playing WoW and watch pallys duke it out in duels around major cities again XD

[Painindaback]

Ok Pain so you are talking about long grueling epic battles that last for several turns then? At my level I rarely see battles that last much more than 2 angel attacks, so I don't know what it's like at 70+ I'd rather not see several rounds of endless heals and damage and going back and forth like a tennis match personally. If I wanted to see pvp like that, I'd go back to playing WoW and watch pallys duke it out in duels around major cities again XD

I doubt any of those fights were longer than 2 angel strikes considering that I'm a free player and could barely stand 2 hits by a casher. So no, I don't like any of the 2 man parties with hecate mirror fights, but I hate it as much as the one sided fights. Would you find it entertaining if I show one of my fights from arena.. against a 40k br player? It lasts for 1 turn.

[Painindaback]

http://ua9-loa.r2games.com/share.php...75392eb577bfc4 sorry.. 4 hits, forgot that my nereida is still faster cuz of idun's ring

[R2352025]

Ok Pain so you are talking about long grueling epic battles that last for several turns then? At my level I rarely see battles that last much more than 2 angel attacks, so I don't know what it's like at 70+ I'd rather not see several rounds of endless heals and damage and going back and forth like a tennis match personally. If I wanted to see pvp like that, I'd go back to playing WoW and watch pallys duke it out in duels around major cities again XD

here a very ANNOYING epic cruel class match

http://s2-loa.r2games.com/share.php?...553912eb480e0d
http://s2-loa.r2games.com/share.php?...55391310c831eb

[stiivi]

As far as the misunderstanding goes, I didn't, but you should've written your sentence in a different way not to confuse others. Because "them" after a sentence regarding using bugs leads to only one conclusion
And you can see whether you can beat someone superior to you, by actually fighting them. In the team tournament I beat a 800k br player after I had had another fight with a 600k br player, by being 600k myself. And almost (5% hp) beat 850k br player with hecate and 9 star angel. Don't really know how lucky I got regarding skills/crits and so on, since the logs were bugged. But even so I prefer having such fights, rather than one sided ones where no matter what happens you know you can win.

Ohm you do know that cross tournament battle things were bugged? and not only logs? I wouldnt rlly drag comparison with Cross tournament, as it had so many bugs, that might or might not work towards lower br ppl or higher in that matter.
Anyhow, Qing's build gonna be most commonly used in future LoA anyway. So no point to argue how many flaws or how fast it goes out or not. Every build has pro's, con's. Despite saying that, Qing's build is super good for spire and aegis. Tanking is rlly useless, only drags out inevitable and dmg over def is mostly for F2P, who wanna be good. Just have to make sure Claw is top notch and every toon you get for formation, supports Claw dmg output.
Heca as nerf? No. It won't happen. Heca without super good beefing behind is useless like any other hero. This game doesnt add good variety of heros to use anyway.
And from F2P perspective its easier to beef up Claw then get one of icon heroes, which is possible but takes time. and around 600 Lotto, 400 for 2 S jokers and 200 for 2 Ace. for AH atleast.
So for last, Qing build rapes trough balanced builds and "tanking" builds. with ease. thanks to patk giving more juice then pdef to heroes. Once he opens up weapon rune. you can say GG and just watch how his Claw crit 1 hits your backrow in first turn, and 2nd turn 1 hits your front row.

And someone claiming that Qing uses "rage" bug, nevertheless it wouldnt matter. with or without bug, he gets 100 rage everyturn. Even without it and 1 hitting his one of rager's would only prolong a little what happens in the end. His claw critting shitout of your main and other toons.

That is future of loa, Freebies running around with Qing build. Since its most effective.

[andreicde]

Ohm you do know that cross tournament battle things were bugged? and not only logs? I wouldnt rlly drag comparison with Cross tournament, as it had so many bugs, that might or might not work towards lower br ppl or higher in that matter.
Anyhow, Qing's build gonna be most commonly used in future LoA anyway. So no point to argue how many flaws or how fast it goes out or not. Every build has pro's, con's. Despite saying that, Qing's build is super good for spire and aegis. Tanking is rlly useless, only drags out inevitable and dmg over def is mostly for F2P, who wanna be good. Just have to make sure Claw is top notch and every toon you get for formation, supports Claw dmg output.
Heca as nerf? No. It won't happen. Heca without super good beefing behind is useless like any other hero. This game doesnt add good variety of heros to use anyway.
And from F2P perspective its easier to beef up Claw then get one of icon heroes, which is possible but takes time. and around 600 Lotto, 400 for 2 S jokers and 200 for 2 Ace. for AH atleast.
So for last, Qing build rapes trough balanced builds and "tanking" builds. with ease. thanks to patk giving more juice then pdef to heroes. Once he opens up weapon rune. you can say GG and just watch how his Claw crit 1 hits your backrow in first turn, and 2nd turn 1 hits your front row.

And someone claiming that Qing uses "rage" bug, nevertheless it wouldnt matter. with or without bug, he gets 100 rage everyturn. Even without it and 1 hitting his one of rager's would only prolong a little what happens in the end. His claw critting shitout of your main and other toons.

That is future of loa, Freebies running around with Qing build. Since its most effective.

well if you put it that way it's not the build per se that's good for spire, but dodge. For instance every cn player and their mother have insane amounts of dodge (it's not even a question them, but a religion). PVP-wise though, it does jack squat when they face decent opponents (since they use hit gems). I won't exagerate if I tell you I saw a player doing I believe 13-10 and dodging 99.75% of the attacks while checking cn forum

[Painindaback]

Ohm you do know that cross tournament battle things were bugged? and not only logs? I wouldnt rlly drag comparison with Cross tournament, as it had so many bugs, that might or might not work towards lower br ppl or higher in that matter.
Anyhow, Qing's build gonna be most commonly used in future LoA anyway. So no point to argue how many flaws or how fast it goes out or not. Every build has pro's, con's. Despite saying that, Qing's build is super good for spire and aegis. Tanking is rlly useless, only drags out inevitable and dmg over def is mostly for F2P, who wanna be good. Just have to make sure Claw is top notch and every toon you get for formation, supports Claw dmg output.
Heca as nerf? No. It won't happen. Heca without super good beefing behind is useless like any other hero. This game doesnt add good variety of heros to use anyway.
And from F2P perspective its easier to beef up Claw then get one of icon heroes, which is possible but takes time. and around 600 Lotto, 400 for 2 S jokers and 200 for 2 Ace. for AH atleast.
So for last, Qing build rapes trough balanced builds and "tanking" builds. with ease. thanks to patk giving more juice then pdef to heroes. Once he opens up weapon rune. you can say GG and just watch how his Claw crit 1 hits your backrow in first turn, and 2nd turn 1 hits your front row.

And someone claiming that Qing uses "rage" bug, nevertheless it wouldnt matter. with or without bug, he gets 100 rage everyturn. Even without it and 1 hitting his one of rager's would only prolong a little what happens in the end. His claw critting shitout of your main and other toons.

That is future of loa, Freebies running around with Qing build. Since its most effective.

In the team tournaments the fights we saw were just ... the damage done in the actual fight divided into 10(?) hits. I checked it out when the logs were working so you can trust what you saw.

And stiivi, I guess you don't know much what qing's doing. He beat aquarius along with 11(?) eternal spire levels by using the bug. I don't know whether he can get 100 rage now on second turn, but even if he can without the bug he shouldn't have 100 on 3rd, yet he does. His Astral Child and Nereida have awful hit rating, without the bug in pve I doubt he'll be able to get 100 rage even for the 4th turn. And by that time both should be dead considering how many guards do AoE attacks

[stiivi]

well if you put it that way it's not the build per se that's good for spire, but dodge. For instance every cn player and their mother have insane amounts of dodge (it's not even a question them, but a religion). PVP-wise though, it does jack squat when they face decent opponents (since they use hit gems). I won't exagerate if I tell you I saw a player doing I believe 13-10 and dodging 99.75% of the attacks while checking cn forum

Yes you are right, dodge seems to be vital for that, im not sure about dodge being religion, but most top players in cn, use high hit and crit. no dodge whatsoever. And yes, dodge is easy to counter. specialy for mystic.
I have seen archer about 600k BR doing 11-10 his claw made short work of those, while he front row dodged pretty much all atks throwed at him.

[stiivi]

In the team tournaments the fights we saw were just ... the damage done in the actual fight divided into 10(?) hits. I checked it out when the logs were working so you can trust what you saw.

And stiivi, I guess you don't know much what qing's doing. He beat aquarius along with 11(?) eternal spire levels by using the bug. I don't know whether he can get 100 rage now on second turn, but even if he can without the bug he shouldn't have 100 on 3rd, yet he does. His Astral Child and Nereida have awful hit rating, without the bug in pve I doubt he'll be able to get 100 rage even for the 4th turn. And by that time both should be dead considering how many guards do AoE attacks

Hmm, its not bug thou, and doesnt matter how big your hit is, rose triggers that infinite rage. rose dies. 50 rage to backrow. nereida gets full rage, astral gets rull rage. claw gets full rage. claw shoots hits rage, back to 0, nereida buffs rage, 45 i believe, claw at 45, Nereida 0 ( unless she buffs her rage for 2nd turn aswell) then its 45, Astral buffs rage, claw is 100, Nereida is 65, or 100, if that rage buffs herself, astral is 0 or 65 if that rage buffs herself for 2nd turn to come. Hence its in loop, doesnt matter, nereida and astral child, dont have to hit for to gain rage.

So your question isnt, if his using bug, you question should be, Does Nereida and astral child buff their own rage for future turn to come, if they do, its not bug.