top player's, no claws?

[linker591]

yeah but valk sucks for dealing damage (can't be compared with claw)

thats weird though, since their skills say the same dmg, there should be no reason why claw does more, other than when his hp gets low ofcourse

[andreicde]

thats weird though, since their skills say the same dmg, there should be no reason why claw does more, other than when his hp gets low ofcourse

actually there is. Rogue compared to tank. Claw in general has a higher damage growth due to its rogue nature . Also, you talked about valkyrie evolving, but when it evolves, on a lvl 1 damage drops from 120% to 100%.There is a good reason why Kob can never do crazy damage

[MagusRynd]

thats weird though, since their skills say the same dmg, there should be no reason why claw does more, other than when his hp gets low ofcourse

valkyrie/arcance should never be compared to BC only cus they can hit backrow as well.

BC does insane damage, and if you want to cross check the damage with its stats, you wont get anywhere.

my BC has 70k ATK and its skill does 140%. even if i ignore opponent's DEF, it should do 105k damage at max, but it does up to 200k on topaz heroes. go figure :P

[stevoski34]

So in the long run for end-game berserker, should I trade my claws for KoB? My set-up is valk/astral/hecate/claws. Claws was my first Ruby due to the hype, but now I'm reconsidering since I have Valk to counter other claws, and hit back row. Then KoB to hit front line and extra tank to soak up damage. Just sucks since my claws is re-birthed twice...after that first rebirth lvling them is a nightmare lol.

Nobody ever answered this...What are your thoughts?

[R2352025]

Nobody ever answered this...What are your thoughts?

long run your gonna replace kob for a new better hero in the FREE rubies hero when released.. so that your end game.. for now kob will do fine... every1 so hype about claw cuz there all testing on result where the battle is hittin empty BR that isnt complete yet

[stiivi]

There arent many tanks in game that are free rubys, only KoB and Dark Knight. And i wouldnt say DK is better then KoB, only higher growth stat. Since its skill is lil higher hp % shield and when shield wears off it heals shield amount of hp. and its single target. While kob get lil lower hp shield but its Semi - AoE dmg.
As far it goes for dmg dealers, Claw is one of the best along with Amazon (Not sure if its HoC hero or not).

Despite haveing same % value with kob 140, Claw does more dmg. Claw is more solid for backrow then Valk is. But haveing claw + valk is awesome. And that neutralizes Heca real fast.

[andreicde]

There arent many tanks in game that are free rubys, only KoB and Dark Knight. And i wouldnt say DK is better then KoB, only higher growth stat. Since its skill is lil higher hp % shield and when shield wears off it heals shield amount of hp. and its single target. While kob get lil lower hp shield but its Semi - AoE dmg.
As far it goes for dmg dealers, Claw is one of the best along with Amazon (Not sure if its HoC hero or not).

Despite haveing same % value with kob 140, Claw does more dmg. Claw is more solid for backrow then Valk is. But haveing claw + valk is awesome. And that neutralizes Heca real fast.

amazon is Hoc. The rubies that are not Hoc are blazing, nereida, claw,Kob, Darknight and priestess(djinn red ver). Rest are Hoc

[Painindaback]

There arent many tanks in game that are free rubys, only KoB and Dark Knight. And i wouldnt say DK is better then KoB, only higher growth stat. Since its skill is lil higher hp % shield and when shield wears off it heals shield amount of hp. and its single target. While kob get lil lower hp shield but its Semi - AoE dmg.
As far it goes for dmg dealers, Claw is one of the best along with Amazon (Not sure if its HoC hero or not).

Despite haveing same % value with kob 140, Claw does more dmg. Claw is more solid for backrow then Valk is. But haveing claw + valk is awesome. And that neutralizes Heca real fast.

Isn't Dark Knight.. a KoB with upgraded skill? Since afterall Dark Knight, not only does he get a better absorb, along with hitting the front row.. but also reflects some of the damage of the next (was it 2?) attacks towards him. I'd say that's clearly much better

"Shadow Mystery, Deals (130% + 360) damage to enemy front row then shields Dark Knight for 21% of his max health and counterstrikes every attacks for 21% of the damage taken for the next 2 turns."

[stiivi]

Isn't Dark Knight.. a KoB with upgraded skill? Since afterall Dark Knight, not only does he get a better absorb, along with hitting the front row.. but also reflects some of the damage of the next (was it 2?) attacks towards him. I'd say that's clearly much better

"Shadow Mystery, Deals (130% + 360) damage to enemy front row then shields Dark Knight for 21% of his max health and counterstrikes every attacks for 21% of the damage taken for the next 2 turns."

It was sayd that DK doesnt counter, that its translation error. But we have yet to see. And DK doesnt hit front row, its solo skill. like Nether's.
I do hope that DK is KoB's upgraded version, since DK is rlly awesome.

[Marie548]

hope they release priestess =)

[Painindaback]

It was sayd that DK doesnt counter, that its translation error. But we have yet to see. And DK doesnt hit front row, its solo skill. like Nether's.
I do hope that DK is KoB's upgraded version, since DK is rlly awesome.

If that was the case, there wouldn't be any reason for there to be 2 percentage numbers in his skill description. Not to mention that there are words followed by 2 in brackets after one of the percentages.. which I assume is the counterstrike for 2 turns.
Unless of course his ability does something else based on percentage.

[anoldpromise]

I noticed looking at the CS tournament that most top players don't use claws, and was wondering the reasoning for not using him since everyone seems to be all hyped about that hero.
Most parties are Valk/KoB/Hecate/Astral,Arcane and seldom Neredia. Is his damage just not that viable end-game? Or Is it because Valk hits back row also, and is much more durable?
Also claws has nice dragon skills, so what's the deal?

generally those are the best heroes in end game ..
OP zerker + rage build wont kill party with good arcane and valk
arcane will proct -33% dmg that will lower zerker's dmge and valk
will absorb all back row dmges which are lowered
which mean if u are rage build a 3 hits of lowered attacking zerker
wont matter ..
im not against rage build but as you can see in the contrary kill one of the
combo will ruin the entire build esp with fair dmage arcane can easily
kill an astral child ..

[anoldpromise]

generally those are the best heroes in end game ..
OP zerker + rage build wont kill party with good arcane and valk
arcane will proct -33% dmg that will lower zerker's dmge and valk
will absorb all back row dmges which are lowered
which mean if u are rage build a 3 hits of lowered attacking zerker
wont matter ..
im not against rage build but as you can see in the contrary kill one of the
combo will ruin the entire build esp with fair dmage arcane can easily
kill an astral child ..

There arent many tanks in game that are free rubys, only KoB and Dark Knight. And i wouldnt say DK is better then KoB, only higher growth stat. Since its skill is lil higher hp % shield and when shield wears off it heals shield amount of hp. and its single target. While kob get lil lower hp shield but its Semi - AoE dmg.
As far it goes for dmg dealers, Claw is one of the best along with Amazon (Not sure if its HoC hero or not).

Despite haveing same % value with kob 140, Claw does more dmg. Claw is more solid for backrow then Valk is. But haveing claw + valk is awesome. And that neutralizes Heca real fast.

lol .. seems like u escalated it quickly talking abt neutralizing hecate how about the other heroes?
most of cashier uses arcane which is 75/75 rage that can cast -33% atk
you cant kill hecate with zerker + valk and its brainless combination
unless you are dealing with gtarcade dudes

[R2352025]

nah we just get fissure lord and play with it

[stiivi]

lol .. seems like u escalated it quickly talking abt neutralizing hecate how about the other heroes?
most of cashier uses arcane which is 75/75 rage that can cast -33% atk
you cant kill hecate with zerker + valk and its brainless combination
unless you are dealing with gtarcade dudes

You can thou.. Valk has taunt. Taunts backrow to target valk, while doing dmg, Claw clashes out dmg to backrow, safe bet Most builds wont survive that. Let's add Nereida to that an AH, you get some rage to unleash that formation fast again, Valk + Claw, this time to front row. Don't forget Main, and opponent main, Unless opponen is way over of his opponent. it might, or might not 1 hit 1 hero in front, or mystic ice jab, or bladestorm. Thunderstorm wont 1 hit front row. If at all, it gives claw more dmg. So arcane is completely out of play. Once you get valk and claw in front row. Nereida, AH and main into backrow.
Nereida buff dmg isnt measured by enemy debuff, in that case 33% ' patk, AH doesnt need to atk, only worry is main. But honestly, it just delays it slightly. So arcane is completely out of play.

Only worrisome hero in casher party is heca and that God wep odin blade. Once you get heca down. It's quite free sailing from there.