DODGE and BLOCK

[MagusRynd]

we gonna see a mod here real soon :P

[R2352025]

since i'm such a nice i'll stop

[Freedom1987]

sometime i wonder if these reply even sink in that thick skull of the reader but i guess not, they all talk about how great and weak a class is and yet can never base it on ratio 1:1 but anyhow i stood with the topic it u who went out of the topic and decide to start bashing on non sense on top of **, LOL... likewise not our fault u play with dumb player that around your skills =) and making them seem weaker then then they should be ... so only dumb mofo is you who think he know wt-f there talking about, assuming everything of nothing.. so you should consider yourself first lol.. and no LOA follow the same setup so far, mage here are still ranked one unless otherwise archer have a great hidden update that not seen yet follow by warriors... and like wise soo many ppl claim they eat hecate and yet not real share fight of stats and br, LOL all talk and no show for **** over clay not to mention the massive br of element in hecate br mean nothing, lol... now dont be jelly cuz mage seem better, lol

I wonder if the replier thinks before commenting, the only dumb, ardent obstinate jack *** mofo is you sir. Get it through your thick skull, that mages aren't a singularity, as for your class being no.1, it's all in your head, surrounded by your ***** in that thick skull, you keep talking about Mages being OP in EVERY MMO, yet only thing you managed to brag about is Hecate, which is classified as a Cleric type that heals, not a mage jackass, and other than that you have only managed to bring up your assumption on how I hate mages, on the contrary I don't, but then I am not exactly one sided about picking always mage, as my real interest lies in each classes specific skills and abilities they offer in every MMO I played, in some Warriors, in some Assasins, in some Archers and then in some Mages, and then in some Healers.

lol now you claim it can't be done, Hecate is invincible or so to say with your choice of words, how about you post me videos of all your conquering mages all around the MMO where you actually played and not taking **** out of your *** to claim your mage superiority complex? It's not mages but arrogant self proclaimed jackasses like you that I don't like, go shove your mage love up yours, just don't spread your over inflated mage supremacy nonsense around. In my experience I have always thrashed plenty mages, so called n00bs or pros in various MMO's and one thing that never changed is their squishy wet paper def, LOA and few other game that changes that weak def aspect of the game, but it still doesn't exactly automatically makes mages no.1.

Now if I were to ask you show me why isn't the x-server top ranked peoples are all mages? Since mages are so op and no.1, you would say oh no cause most mages aren't cashers and only cashers plays other classes like Warriors or Archer, am I right or right? lol like it or not your mage supremacy ideal **** ain't gonna work on everyone, take a hike with your mage supremacy jackass.

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[2EASY4PLAYBOY]

we gonna see a mod here real soon :P

Please dont call mod, we not finished yet

[Solariai]

Since archers are a really new class I don't think any of them made the top 600 for AWC top 600 will most likely be Paladins/Zerkers. Locally on our server our #1 is a Sorcerer.

[R2352025]

Cleric is nothing but a sub class of a mage =D not very bright there, lol
lol he call that a even match claw vs hecate, PFFT.. claw lv6.. hecate lv5 =)
there are 3 mages who are heavy cashier i know of and can beat me one sided =) they know who they are =) it'll be awhile before then come out to play... one of them already here u guys just too blind to see him yet... and again clearly u cant read, mmorpg is full of grinders and cashiers, until u grow a dumb mofo brain and learn wt-f 1:1 raito is then talk again
nah arrogant self proclaimed jackasses like you in the mid range who only can see as far as your leg extend =D thinking that all that there is to it have no idea wt-f there on about... trying to brag about **** =D

hehe hecate wasnt a brag, it was a point of interests how funny most players find it hard to beat... just u wait until the next mage hero release most will quit, lol

no LOA ranking class is mage > warrior > archer if u cant see why.. cuz all u can see is wallet and not 1:1.. then your gettin dumber on each reply =)

here a brain teaser =)

100k pdef/mdef on 200k warrior - wraithstriker
vs
100k pdef/mdef on 200k mage - fireball
= who gonna win =)

[Painindaback]

100k pdef/mdef on 200k warrior - wraithstriker
vs
100k pdef/mdef on 200k mage - fireball
= who gonna win =)

the 100k pdef/mdef on 200k warrior - Shield Slam.
After the first fireball the mage won't be able to activate the skill anymore, leaving just the warrior activating his. And due to Shield Slam's ATK reduction the mage won't be able to finish the warrior fast enough.
That is if we are talking about 1v1, just like you said. Why would you use wraithstrike to do ... about 40k damage, when you can reduce about 60k? Thinking is good, right?

And for god's sake, stop with the comparing of Mages in this game with mages from other games. Here the stats of all classes are pretty much identical so you can in no way talk about mages being less tanky than warriors or anything of that sort.

[MagusRynd]

the 100k pdef/mdef on 200k warrior - Shield Slam.
After the first fireball the mage won't be able to activate the skill anymore, leaving just the warrior activating his. And due to Shield Slam's ATK reduction the mage won't be able to finish the warrior fast enough.
That is if we are talking about 1v1, just like you said. Why would you use wraithstrike to do ... about 40k damage, when you can reduce about 60k? Thinking is good, right?

And for god's sake, stop with the comparing of Mages in this game with mages from other games. Here the stats of all classes are pretty much identical so you can in no way talk about mages being less tanky than warriors or anything of that sort.

cus wraithstrike reduces around 40% DEF :P

anyway, shieldslam or wraithstrike, debuffs will run out in 2 turns, that is before next trigger. by that time, sorcerer will be up and running :P

[R2352025]

hehe the answer realli was who ever hit first =D but no if u do the math and add crit, dodge and block.. surely u'll get the result your looking for =) who sit on top =).. silly mage still hitting me at 450-650k when i see him in cs.. i'm still like OMFG!!!! my awesome 150k mdef mean nothing, lol good thing i got big *** hp, lol

[Painindaback]

cus wraithstrike reduces around 40% DEF :P

anyway, shieldslam or wraithstrike, debuffs will run out in 2 turns, that is before next trigger. by that time, sorcerer will be up and running :P

I guess you didn't understand what I wrote..
It's indeed true that wraithstrike reduces 42% DEF, however isn't defense just 100k? And ATK will be roughly 170k. Let's make the calculations:
100000*42%=42000
170000*30%=51000
Now, imagine the warrior has 4000 block which should allow him to block about 50% of the time. 170000-51000=119000-100000=19000/50%=8000. That would be 4 times higher had you used wraithstrike. And if you're at 100k DEF, this means that you should have about 600k hp, gl getting that down with 8000 a hit.
Now the second thing that you didn't understand. Warrior's dragonsoul skill allows him to reduce the opponent's rage by 10 with a chance per hit. You should definitely have 50/50 if you have those stats, this means 60% chance. How long do you think the mage will need to be able to activate his skill again if pretty much every second hit has it's rage reduced by 10?
For every mage's skill, the warrior will be able to use 2.. allowing him to either increase his damage/rage/heal and so on.

[andreicde]

I guess you didn't understand what I wrote..
It's indeed true that wraithstrike reduces 42% DEF, however isn't defense just 100k? And ATK will be roughly 170k. Let's make the calculations:
100000*42%=42000
170000*30%=51000
Now, imagine the warrior has 4000 block which should allow him to block about 50% of the time. 170000-51000=119000-100000=19000/50%=8000. That would be 4 times higher had you used wraithstrike. And if you're at 100k DEF, this means that you should have about 600k hp, gl getting that down with 8000 a hit.
Now the second thing that you didn't understand. Warrior's dragonsoul skill allows him to reduce the opponent's rage by 10 with a chance per hit. You should definitely have 50/50 if you have those stats, this means 60% chance. How long do you think the mage will need to be able to activate his skill again if pretty much every second hit has it's rage reduced by 10?
For every mage's skill, the warrior will be able to use 2.. allowing him to either increase his damage/rage/heal and so on.

From what I heard, the skill has a wrong translation. It doesn't actually reduces rage from opponents but it rather gives 10 to the warrior, unless they fixed the effect.

[Painindaback]

From what I heard, the skill has a wrong translation. It doesn't actually reduces rage from opponents but it rather gives 10 to the warrior, unless they fixed the effect.

It clearly reduces it. Kept a main hero from activating his skill for 5 turns in a row when he had 75 rage on the 1st.

[MagusRynd]

I guess you didn't understand what I wrote..
It's indeed true that wraithstrike reduces 42% DEF, however isn't defense just 100k? And ATK will be roughly 170k. Let's make the calculations:
100000*42%=42000
170000*30%=51000
Now, imagine the warrior has 4000 block which should allow him to block about 50% of the time. 170000-51000=119000-100000=19000/50%=8000. That would be 4 times higher had you used wraithstrike. And if you're at 100k DEF, this means that you should have about 600k hp, gl getting that down with 8000 a hit.
Now the second thing that you didn't understand. Warrior's dragonsoul skill allows him to reduce the opponent's rage by 10 with a chance per hit. You should definitely have 50/50 if you have those stats, this means 60% chance. How long do you think the mage will need to be able to activate his skill again if pretty much every second hit has it's rage reduced by 10?
For every mage's skill, the warrior will be able to use 2.. allowing him to either increase his damage/rage/heal and so on.

i thought we were keepin it to simple stuff. you however based it on too many conditions, like block and DS :P ofc mages will have their DS as well :P imo, nothin is better than mages' seal of forgiveness and hunters' angel imprisonment :P but again, its imo and therefore a subjective matter :P

[R2352025]

like i said who ever hit first.. but clearly there some misunderstanding

Shield spam - 210% + 1300 -30% atk power
fire ball - 180% + 1250
Wraithstriker - 200% + 1300 -42%def
if we base it on 500k HP

200k on SS - 421300 - 10000 pdef = 321300 dmg (-30% atk)
200k on FB - 361250 - 0 = 361250 dmg
200k on WS - 401300 - 10000 pdef = 301300 dmg

mage efffected
200k on Normal (effected - 30% atk) = 200000 - 60000 = 140000 dmg
mage recevied dmg
200k on Normal (effected 42% def) = 200000 - 32000 def = 168000 dmg


reason i didnt include dragon skills is due to the fact it's various for players.. but if u were to add lv3 dragon on both side it wouldnt matter cuz angel active rage at turn 4 anyway where both would have rage

[Painindaback]

i thought we were keepin it to simple stuff. you however based it on too many conditions, like block and DS :P ofc mages will have their DS as well :P imo, nothin is better than mages' seal of forgiveness and hunters' angel imprisonment :P but again, its imo and therefore a subjective matter :P

I'm pretty sure ether wanted to compare it based on 1v1.. meaning no angel. And yes, mages will have their dragonsoul skill, which may or may not revive them in the end to survive an extra hit and use an extra fireball.. I doubt it would be enough however to finish the warrior. And the warrior's dragonsoul skill lasts for the whole battle, while mage's one is just for the end.
As far as seal of forgiveness and angel imprisonment go, everyone has their preferences. I'd rather be able to take out the opponent's strongest hero out of the equation.