Hecate Needs to be Nerfed! That hero is way overpowered!

[Painindaback]

Hmm, its not bug thou, and doesnt matter how big your hit is, rose triggers that infinite rage. rose dies. 50 rage to backrow. nereida gets full rage, astral gets rull rage. claw gets full rage. claw shoots hits rage, back to 0, nereida buffs rage, 45 i believe, claw at 45, Nereida 0 ( unless she buffs her rage for 2nd turn aswell) then its 45, Astral buffs rage, claw is 100, Nereida is 65, or 100, if that rage buffs herself, astral is 0 or 65 if that rage buffs herself for 2nd turn to come. Hence its in loop, doesnt matter, nereida and astral child, dont have to hit for to gain rage.

So your question isnt, if his using bug, you question should be, Does Nereida and astral child buff their own rage for future turn to come, if they do, its not bug.

I'll explain it like you then... rose knight dies-->50 rage, all in the back row have 100 rage-->Claw uses skill-->nereida uses skill-->45 for claw/still 100 for astral child-->astral child uses skill-->100 for claw, 55 for nereida, 0 for astral child-->Claw uses skill.. now what? With.. 2k hit rating what do you expect to hit as nereida and astral child? How will you get the rage to boost Claw's rage again? The answer is.. you can't. Not for 2 more turns without a single dodge from the enemy which is unlikely. With the bug however you can and hence the reason he's able to beat so much pve content so early.


Now I'll explain you how the bug works. rose knight dies-->100 rage for back row-->Claw uses skill, 50 rage left-->nereida uses skill 95 for claw, 45 for nereida-->astral uses skill 100 for claw, 100 for nereida, 55 for astral-->Claw uses skill 50 rage left-->nereida uses skill 100 for claw, 45 for nereida, 100 for astral.
Got my point?

[stiivi]

I'll explain it like you then... rose knight dies-->50 rage, all in the back row have 100 rage-->Claw uses skill-->nereida uses skill-->45 for claw/still 100 for astral child-->astral child uses skill-->100 for claw, 55 for nereida, 0 for astral child-->Claw uses skill.. now what? With.. 2k hit rating what do you expect to hit as nereida and astral child? How will you get the rage to boost Claw's rage again? The answer is.. you can't. Not for 2 more turns without a single dodge from the enemy which is unlikely. With the bug however you can and hence the reason he's able to beat so much pve content so early.


Now I'll explain you how the bug works. rose knight dies-->100 rage for back row-->Claw uses skill, 50 rage left-->nereida uses skill 95 for claw, 45 for nereida-->astral uses skill 100 for claw, 100 for nereida, 55 for astral-->Claw uses skill 50 rage left-->nereida uses skill 100 for claw, 45 for nereida, 100 for astral.
Got my point?

Oh my, then you are chasing wrong thing here. If it's bug like you say, it wont be fixed, It's not fixed in cn and wont be fixed here in that matter of case. If that rlly is bug.

Just checked nereida Rage buff, at 100 Rage, she buffs her rage aswell, so it wont go 0, but it goes 39 in my case, and Qing 45, so it's not bugged. I believe its same with Astral.
So even without that bug, Qing would get 100 rage.

[Painindaback]

Oh my, then you are chasing wrong thing here. If it's bug like you say, it wont be fixed, It's not fixed in cn and wont be fixed here in that matter of case. If that rlly is bug.

Well considering that you don't keep the rage from taking hits after you have 100 rage.. it is a bug.
And if that's the case on the cn server as well, then this game really needs to start sacking developers
And considering that in your previous explanation you mentioned that Claw gets to 0 after using his skill, then you're contradicting yourself.

[stiivi]

Well considering that you don't keep the rage from taking hits after you have 100 rage.. it is a bug.
And if that's the case on the cn server as well, then this game really needs to start sacking developers
And considering that in your previous explanation you mentioned that Claw gets to 0 after using his skill, then you're contradicting yourself.

Tested it out myself to get some info about it, at 100 rage nereida buffs rage for whole party and herself. Aka no 0 rage for next turn. But 45 in Qing case. That leaves Nereida with 45, Claw at 70, why? i looked into how much Claw gets with skill hit its 25, So next round Claw starts with 25 Rage + buff from Nereida, hence 70. Now, Nereida 45, Claw 70, Astral 100, Astral rage's Claw 100, Nereida 100, Astral 65. Claw rages, 25, nereida 100, astral 65. and That loops. So no matter, if Claw had that Bug what you claim it has. Since rage buffers buff their own rage and whole partys aswell. It's not bug. Claw would get 100 rage with or without haveing 50 rage over next attempt.

[MagusRynd]

yea pain, that loop is no bug. nereida rages up WHOLE PARTY which includes her as well. so shell be 45 after her own trigger. also AC rages up BACKROW. if shes in backrow, shell rage up herself just as well. so shell be 55 after her own trigger

[Painindaback]

I did some testing myself, on the cn server. Yes rage does go over 100, however it's all wiped out as soon as you use a skill. You are correct on the rage buffers giving themselves rage for the next turn.
However, if you check Qing's stats, you'd notice that his Nereida gives 44 rage and astral 52. I'm no master at math, but that's not 100.
So my point still stands. He would absolutely not be able to do what he did in the past week if it wasn't for this bug.

Case closed? Or if you want I could post a report from the cn server

[MagusRynd]

I did some testing myself, on the cn server. Yes rage does go over 100, however it's all wiped out as soon as you use a skill. You are correct on the rage buffers giving themselves rage for the next turn.
However, if you check Qing's stats, you'd notice that his Nereida gives 44 rage and astral 52. I'm no master at math, but that's not 100.
So my point still stands. He would absolutely not be able to do what he did in the past week if it wasn't for this bug.

Case closed? Or if you want I could post a report from the cn server

yea thats the issue, cus i checked his stats myself. his ner and AC give less rage than 45 and 55 resp. and yea that carry over of excess rage is an issue as well, like you said, and his build is workin cus of that bug atm. however, if ner and AC can be upgraded so much that both offer 45 and 55 rage, then that loop will not need the bug anymore

[Painindaback]

yea thats the issue, cus i checked his stats myself. his ner and AC give less rage than 45 and 55 resp. and yea that carry over of excess rage is an issue as well, like you said, and his build is workin cus of that bug atm. however, if ner and AC can be upgraded so much that both offer 45 and 55 rage, then that loop will not need the bug anymore

Yeah, he's still weeks away from that however.

[MagusRynd]

Yeah, he's still weeks away from that however.

yeap. thats another issue :P prolly +18 on both ner and AC

[andreicde]

yeap. thats another issue :P prolly +18 on both ner and AC

gl with that lol. I barely got my claw to +18, working on +19 and it's expensive as ***

[stiivi]

I did some testing myself, on the cn server. Yes rage does go over 100, however it's all wiped out as soon as you use a skill. You are correct on the rage buffers giving themselves rage for the next turn.
However, if you check Qing's stats, you'd notice that his Nereida gives 44 rage and astral 52. I'm no master at math, but that's not 100.
So my point still stands. He would absolutely not be able to do what he did in the past week if it wasn't for this bug.

Case closed? Or if you want I could post a report from the cn server

Umm i forgot to say that my Astral gave me more rage then it should have given, its at +1 and gives 40 rage, so i got 52 for some reason.
but yes, i admit i didnt look Qing's AC and Ner rage boost. Was reading some replys here saying Qing gets Nereda 45 and astral 65 rage.

[Pyro_420]

Well thank you Pain for revealing and giving a thorough explanation on the rage bug. Like stiivi I assumed what Qing and others have stated previously with regards to the skill level rage bonuses that his Nereida and Astral Child applied was accurate at 45 and 55 since his battle logs showed he had full rage every turn. I didn't watch the fights closely enough with regard to rage amounts to notice that, so wtg there eagle eyes lol. Seriously though, if it's actually possible to gain those rage amounts legitimately by upgrading them high enough, the rage bug is a moot point. And as you have stated before in another thread, his build is easily countered using stun and other tactics, so although I'm a big fan of his build, I know that nobody is unbeatable and that anybody can win given the right formation and setup, but because it's so good for PvE content, I'm still going to use it

[qingyunjian]

Hmmm.....Where do I start....

I'll explain it like you then... rose knight dies-->50 rage, all in the back row have 100 rage-->Claw uses skill-->nereida uses skill-->45 for claw/still 100 for astral child-->astral child uses skill-->100 for claw, 55 for nereida, 0 for astral child-->Claw uses skill.. now what? With.. 2k hit rating what do you expect to hit as nereida and astral child? How will you get the rage to boost Claw's rage again? The answer is.. you can't. Not for 2 more turns without a single dodge from the enemy which is unlikely. With the bug however you can and hence the reason he's able to beat so much pve content so early.


Now I'll explain you how the bug works. rose knight dies-->100 rage for back row-->Claw uses skill, 50 rage left-->nereida uses skill 95 for claw, 45 for nereida-->astral uses skill 100 for claw, 100 for nereida, 55 for astral-->Claw uses skill 50 rage left-->nereida uses skill 100 for claw, 45 for nereida, 100 for astral.
Got my point?

Let me explain this, roseknight dies
100 x
100 x
100
Claws uses skill rage goes to 0
0 x
100 x
100
Nereida uses skill
45
45
100
Astral uses skill
100
100
55
Repeat.

Actually, let's speak like boy to man(I'm obviously the boy). What I'm doing is explaining the flaws of his team's formation, something that "fans" can't seem to see. I don't have a personal vendetta against him or anything, the only issue I have with him is his willingness to abuse a bug as much as he can before it gets fixed. As far as "reaping the benefits from them against people who never truly learn how to set up a party properly? That is what seperates the men from the boys so to speak". Are you saying with this that those who abuse bugs are the superior ones? By "them" I assume you meant the bugs? That's the only logical assumption based on your sentence.
And as far as enjoyment goes, do you enjoy fighting someone who you're superior to? Or would you rather fight someone who's superior to you and defeating him?
That would show us what kind of person you are
And R2352025, it's hard to copy your build due to $ spent But even so, a build like yours is easy to defeat, so long as everyone's on even footing. And even though you get a push through $ early on, in the later stages even a free player could defeat you with ease.

Please explain how im willingnessly 'abusing' bugs

Yeah, he's still weeks away from that however.

More like 2-3 days away lol

yeap. thats another issue :P prolly +18 on both ner and AC

+15

Well thank you Pain for revealing and giving a thorough explanation on the rage bug. Like stiivi I assumed what Qing and others have stated previously with regards to the skill level rage bonuses that his Nereida and Astral Child applied was accurate at 45 and 55 since his battle logs showed he had full rage every turn. I didn't watch the fights closely enough with regard to rage amounts to notice that, so wtg there eagle eyes lol. Seriously though, if it's actually possible to gain those rage amounts legitimately by upgrading them high enough, the rage bug is a moot point. And as you have stated before in another thread, his build is easily countered using stun and other tactics, so although I'm a big fan of his build, I know that nobody is unbeatable and that anybody can win given the right formation and setup, but because it's so good for PvE content, I'm still going to use it

Stun is the least thing I have to worry about

[Painindaback]

Hmmm.....Where do I start....



Let me explain this, roseknight dies
100 x
100 x
100
Claws uses skill rage goes to 0
0 x
100 x
100
Nereida uses skill
45
45
100
Astral uses skill
100
100
55
Repeat.

No 45/55 yet, so none of that would work. I do know that it can happen, but not yet.

Please explain how im willingnessly 'abusing' bugs

I don't know.. doubt it's because you are trying to clear as much content as possible while the bug is still present

More like 2-3 days away lol

Well, it's 4k blessing stones, so if you have them in 2-3 days good for you. You still did the content weeks before you would actually be able to gaining advantage from that.

Stun is the least thing I have to worry about

I don't know.. if your rose knight doesn't die before your claw hits you might not even be able to use your skill On monday I should have 50/50 on claw along with Idun's ring. I could stun-lock you long enough to kill off your other heroes and afterwards just need to dodge/block most of your attacks to keep you from getting 100 rage :P

[Pyro_420]

Rage drain would work if you had enough of it to counter, which I doubt the game offers unless you are lucky enough to be a zerk and have all heroes who have a similar skill on top of the aegis which does the same thing (I think it's scorpio but not high enough to beat Virgo yet)