Knights vs Mages 50+

[LoveMagic777]

Holy seal,ulti slasher lvl 5,shield,ulti slasher,brutality rune and whirlwind.Mage is dead. I always win

[Smoldering]

Yes but using your resto skill from beginning to avoid knight's US drops your rage for aoe(donno how much rage consumes resto but i think over 30)...and we all know that the mage AOE kills knights. So no AOE or delayed AOE gives knight a big advantage

if you face off against a pvp set mage, true... but with clothes and pvp set starting rage, you should have sufficient rage for heal+1/2 aoes, specially with the extra rage from the bolt. If you are up against a pve mage, rage wont matter for it

[buuromania]

I open most fights with lightning bolt. This gives me a round to assess the situation.

If a knight opens with HS - I use my restoration or my healing rune (depends on damage taken as to which I use) to counter it,

No HS anywhere is gonna be able to deal the 11k+ in damage to counter my single heal.

So already the combo is off to a bad start.

Yes but using your resto skill from beginning to avoid knight's US drops your rage for aoe(donno how much rage consumes resto but i think over 30)...and we all know that the mage AOE kills knights. So no AOE or delayed AOE gives knight a big advantage

[R27652377]

well, this combo only works to normal mage(if they got wings but knight don't, thats only lowering mage hp)

[ChieftainRez]

This is true. The US will target the the lowest HP player that exists when it is selected, any other action that may happen doesn't change this, even if a restore goes off and heals the target before the US actually fires. It is in the selection time, not the proc time.

If the restore procs before the US is selected then it is a different story, but it usually wont happen. However, the next round after the restore actually happens, then it will have the knight targeting the troops anyways, if the mage heals himself enough, which is usually the case. Victories for knights against mages are won in the little endless details of things like selection and timing such as these. That's what makes it so difficult to do, but the satisfaction is well worth it.

[miQQQs]

Heal before the US so that the US doesn't target me. In theory it'll hit my troops.

Hi ginger ^^ better option is, when knight hit you hs use heal rune, becouse of faster casting speed. With 40k hp rune heals you with 4k so again full hp. Resto not allways works that fast and knight can targeting you
Have same situation as an archer but from my exp,even if i get hit from us i use ** = full hp and my troops have full hp to, good luck for knights then

[GingerTheHutt]

Sounds reasonable . Just wondering though, why do you heal before the knight's US if the HS only does 3k+ damage to you and the US will deal 7k+ to you after you heal, still putting your health below your troops?

And I agree with you in that we should assume that the knight's and mage's HS are of equal level, since HS gives a huge advantage to any fight anyways and the knight would probably win regardless of the combo.

If it matters, Ulti slasher decides based on health percentage and not absolute health, so it may not work on 1v1 fights with troops where the mage has ridiculously high health .

Heal before the US so that the US doesn't target me. In theory it'll hit my troops.

[Nubito]

lot knight fail use that trick on me
nyahahahhaha

[rainefowl]

I know what you mean: Let me try to explain how I see it:

so the screen goes black for the start of the fight. I press '1' to select lightning bolt.
The screen clears up, the fight is beginning. The knight selects or has selected HS.
LB goes off. I pause and wait. our troops clash. HS goes off and hits me (as this happens I select either my rune or restoration). knight selects US.
troops clash again. my restoration goes off and heals me for 11k. Knight US goes off.

Sounds reasonable . Just wondering though, why do you heal before the knight's US if the HS only does 3k+ damage to you and the US will deal 7k+ to you after you heal, still putting your health below your troops?

And I agree with you in that we should assume that the knight's and mage's HS are of equal level, since HS gives a huge advantage to any fight anyways and the knight would probably win regardless of the combo.

If it matters, Ulti slasher decides based on health percentage and not absolute health, so it may not work on 1v1 fights with troops where the mage has ridiculously high health .

[GingerTheHutt]

and if that HS stuns you for 1 round? or 2? then that won't work.

Also US is a quick skill, not a long casting skill.

My HS is maxed for my level. so unless I'm fighting a level 63+, I shouldn't be stunned. But yes I agree, if fighting 63+ then I'll sit and twiddle my thumbs, stare at the ground, check my phone and probably die.

US always seem slow to me... o.O

[ElusionM]

I know what you mean: Let me try to explain how I see it:

so the screen goes black for the start of the fight. I press '1' to select lightning bolt.
The screen clears up, the fight is beginning. The knight selects or has selected HS.
LB goes off. I pause and wait. our troops clash. HS goes off and hits me (as this happens I select either my rune or restoration). knight selects US.
troops clash again. my restoration goes off and heals me for 11k. Knight US goes off.

and if that HS stuns you for 1 round? or 2? then that won't work.

Also US is a quick skill, not a long casting skill.

[krackenker]

Hmm, this would be hard to explain without a visual guide... Basically the time gap I am talking about is not the time between when then knight presses the "Q" button for HS and the "2" button for ulti slasher, but the time between when the HS is actually casted onto the opponent and does damage and when the knight presses the "2" button to follow up with ulti slasher(the time at which the game will determine where the ulti slasher will go). Any other time gap is probably the wrong time to get your heal into.

The gap after the 1st US, more then plenty of time to get in a resto and misslead that 2nd US, but if u dont have enough heal in your resto, doing bolt-heal can squeeze in itself between that gap you're talking about, simply because HS is so fuqing slow

[GingerTheHutt]

Hmm, this would be hard to explain without a visual guide... Basically the time gap I am talking about is not the time between when then knight presses the "Q" button for HS and the "2" button for ulti slasher, but the time between when the HS is actually casted onto the opponent and does damage and when the knight presses the "2" button to follow up with ulti slasher(the time at which the game will determine where the ulti slasher will go). Any other time gap is probably the wrong time to get your heal into.

I know what you mean: Let me try to explain how I see it:

so the screen goes black for the start of the fight. I press '1' to select lightning bolt.
The screen clears up, the fight is beginning. The knight selects or has selected HS.
LB goes off. I pause and wait. our troops clash. HS goes off and hits me (as this happens I select either my rune or restoration). knight selects US.
troops clash again. my restoration goes off and heals me for 11k. Knight US goes off.

[rainefowl]

HS and US are both long cast skills. It's a relatively huge time window to get a heal into. Hell I could practically nip to the shops and back and still squeeze it in...

Hmm, this would be hard to explain without a visual guide... Basically the time gap I am talking about is not the time between when then knight presses the "Q" button for HS and the "2" button for ulti slasher, but the time between when the HS is actually casted onto the opponent and does damage and when the knight presses the "2" button to follow up with ulti slasher(the time at which the game will determine where the ulti slasher will go). Any other time gap is probably the wrong time to get your heal into.

[GingerTheHutt]

Ah but that might not work unless you are able to time the heal exactly to the gap between when the knight HS gets casts and when he casts the ulti slasher which i think is a matter of seconds? But if you manage it it will certainly mess up the combo You could also cast the resto after he casts ulti slasher, which helps as well .

HS and US are both long cast skills. It's a relatively huge time window to get a heal into. Hell I could practically nip to the shops and back and still squeeze it in...