Holy Seal should be removed from Cross-Server Arena

[R27402931]

HS will not be taken out of game

Of course not. Most people here know that unless 7r do something on the CN version, it won't happen on this version. This sub forum is mostly for people bringing ideas of what they personally think will make the game better. Sometimes we get good ideas, other times we get terrible ones. This particular topic was made to state reasons why holy seal should be removed. Then, people with different views on the topic discuss it. No offense, but saying that "HS will not be taken out of the game" literally add nothing to the discussion.

[symedia]

I came to that conclusion because it takes experience to level lol, what other reason other then to slow down leveling would they have for using exp to level it. As for talents you have to use exp to first level up your HS, then use more exp to level up your talents all of which keeps you from leveling fast.

yeap and you are lvl 70 with 40k br? )

[Spiritombz]

HS will not be taken out of game

[R27402931]

I'll start out by saying that I hadn't read all the posts here so if what I'm about to say is a repeat, please just ignore.

I completely agree that older players should have an advantage. However, I think that a 3 turns STUN is just too much. An older player would have done more WB for gold/daru, more cata for gems, more farm harvests, more soul crystals for engrave, more whips for mounts, etc. Why do they need to be able to completely stop the opposition for 3 whole turns? The difference in play time should be reflected in stats. From my experience, 3 turns stun will win the match for whoever used it unless the BR difference is huge. I'm not looking for a total removal of holy seal since I actually like a skill that uses exp as fuel, but I would like to see a different effect from it (like a slow or damage reduction, etc.)

[R210979283]

+100 to oxy he/she is correct you can never catch up with the older servers and it puts a damper on the mid to new servers in arena cant gain insignia's to upgrade gear to 60 because we to busy getting stunned for 3 rounds my HS is lvl 38 and im lvl 67 and im still getting stunned for 3 slow lvl is not working it needs to be taken out of game its called pvp for a reason not to see who can stun the other person the most rounds ofc s3 is going to stun someone from s175 you had longer time in game to work on your stun armor gems astrals but still you need to start out every battle with HS you guys rely on that **** more than your skills.

[Tehlawlfirm]

Lastly, to the person that stated about why they added HS and it's to stop people from lvling to fast. imo if that was the point then why add the other talents?

I came to that conclusion because it takes experience to level lol, what other reason other then to slow down leveling would they have for using exp to level it. As for talents you have to use exp to first level up your HS, then use more exp to level up your talents all of which keeps you from leveling fast.

[0xykotton]

I don't know much about holy seal not that I'm trying to be rude but I will agree with John Nguyen and that u should start
off slowly on ur char it happened to me by accident but now I'm waiting for the next new server to redo it again yes I've played wartunes before its just that it's been a long time and I guess everyone now that everyone has cried their brains away I'm now here speaking up from a very long nap and have come to play with u all I even brought pizza just don't eat too much I'm glad I'll be welcomed back in the new server if I went back to my old server I'd be depressed for years being in there was brutal I don't even want to start it was worse 20x times when I last went there the only word to express it would be betrayal but I am glad I will be starting anew on the new server

Point is if you start off in the newer servers it doesnt matter if you stayed at your lvl bracket and cap it each time. Once you hit 65+ there is virtually no cap at all. You won't ever catch up to s1 or any other older servers due to the fact the cap is basically no more. Slow lvling won't fix this. Either a new match up system so that older servers meet only older servers or a revamp in HS or plain removal of HS. People keep saying "oh well work on your HS and stop lvling up i you don't want to be stunned." I keep telling them no matter how much you "work" on your HS it is physically impossible to catch up to anyone once you reach 65. Yes, eventually everyone will cap there HS to max lvl but that isn't going to happen right away nor will it happen all at once.

Lastly, to the person that stated about why they added HS and it's to stop people from lvling to fast. imo if that was the point then why add the other talents? You will most likely work on HS and forget about the other talents all together due to the fact you need highest HS as possible. I think they should remove HS and just buff up the other talents. We don't need to stun to win matches. Other talents are being looked down upon and not even getting worked on. Talents are great and should be in the game to help boost your toon. However, the current talents we have now basically are **** and no one works on them. They only pump up HS and that isn't the point of talents.

[Stronmer]

Very much agree it should be removed... but it aint happening soooooo =

[Tehlawlfirm]

I hate holy seal tbh but i see why they added it. It keeps you from leveling as fast so you can work on other things for your character, if you didn't have to level up talents people would reach 50 to 80 in know time. Me I got mine to hs 17 and i'm 70. I'm going for 80 then I have all the time to work up my talents, I know it's probably stupid but I'm impatient.

[0xykotton]

Many dont think like that especially the top players i would believe and many others for example you pay 2k for something to get where you are and the other paid 1k spending it exactly the same.

For me I wouldn't care. I already got what I want why should i get angry? People spend more money going to name brand stores while others can find the same type of items in non name brand stores for a cheaper price all the time. It's how the world works.

[Spiritombz]

and it's making non cashers angry right now lol. So it's no difference. It's just jealously and a Republican attitude which makes them upset. I would personally not give a damn if someone spends less than I did. I don't see any problem with it.

Many dont think like that especially the top players i would believe and many others for example you pay 2k for something to get where you are and the other paid 1k spending it exactly the same idk about you but i would be pretty angry i would rather be the person who spent 1k. Non-cashers not all get angry all the time as i see from having such a disadvantage in this game in arena,bg,you name it.

[0xykotton]

One thing is when the game came out they should had lower prices implementing lower prices now would anger lots of cashers because of how much they already spent and making it easier for people to catch up by paying less. The prices are the same for everyone though so its not like is unfair in anyway, only in real life money wise maybe.

and it's making non cashers angry right now lol. So it's no difference. It's just jealously and a Republican attitude which makes them upset. I would personally not give a damn if someone spends less than I did. I don't see any problem with it.

[Spiritombz]

That's why we need these changes then lol. Unless R2 decides to decrease prices or bring out a trading system. Then we need to revamp how this game works.

One thing is when the game came out they should had lower prices implementing lower prices now would anger lots of cashers because of how much they already spent and making it easier for people to catch up by paying less. The prices are the same for everyone though so its not like is unfair in anyway, only in real life money wise maybe.

[0xykotton]

well its not like r2games is going to decrease the prices

That's why we need these changes then lol. Unless R2 decides to decrease prices or bring out a trading system. Then we need to revamp how this game works.

[Spiritombz]

The Chinese version doesn't have any problem since they have a lot of ways to balance things out. Major reason is all there items are a lot cheaper. You can actually build your toon with ease there and not too expensive. They also have an auction house so trading gear is there so you are able to actually compete a good level. It isnt 7roads fault. It's R2s fault for being greedy and not helping out the newer players casher or non casher. You still screwed over if you started brand new. Unless you decide to be the next zebq you won't be really making it far.

well its not like r2games is going to decrease the prices