[Insight Guide] Mount Fusion Advanced

[Apoloymi]

Wasn't planning to post here but ok, you have your theory then you post LadyJos theory and say its a shortest and cheapest way. Her theory disagree with yours, but she also say "Perfect, clear and precise" for the theory that she disagree with -_- I'm not sure if either of you bothered reading each others posts lol

Cleary with your Theory Gen 1 + Gen 1 = Green stats of Main gen 1 and secondary gen 1 add together

Her theory Gen 1 + Gen 1 = 40% of white stats of secondary gen 1 mount add to the green stats of your primary mount.

There's no way it can work both ways.

So if you stay true to your theory her cheapest and fastest way would be completely wrong.

The correct cheapest and fastest way would be:

Kybui lvl20 (Main) + Kyubi lvl 20 (secondary) = Gen 1 Kyubi lvl20 (main) Because 40% of your secondary mount will add to your primary mount when you getting gen 1 so its best to get the white stats as high as possible (this is what everyone agree with)

Turtle lvl0 (primary) + Kyubi lvl 20 (secondary) = Gen 1 turle lvl0 (secondary gen 1 mount) lvl0 turtle as primary because with your theory white stats of secondary gen 1 mount don't matter because green stats of secondary gen1 mount will add to green stats of main gen 1 mount.

Now fusing those 2 together to make first gen 2 mount.

Gen 1 Kyubi lvl20 (main) + Gen 1 turle lvl0 (secondary gen 1 mount) = Gen 2 Kyubi lvl20 (main)

Next step getting secondary Gen 2 mount for Gen 3 mount.

With your theory when fusing for Gen 3 White stats of your secondary mount matter again so

Kybui lvl20 + Turtle lvl0 = Gen 1 Kyubi lvl20 Lvl 20 Kyubi because the white stats will be important when you fusing for Gen 3

Turtle lvl0 + Turtle lvl0 = Gen 1 turtle lvl 0 Both mounts lvl 0 turtles because it does't matter how much your green stat increase because they don't matter when fusing for gen 3

Now that you have another 2 gen 1 mounts next step is completing your gen 2 mount.

Gen 1 Kyubi lvl 20 + Gen 1 Turtle lvl0 = Gen 2 Kyubi lvl20 (your secondary gen 2 kyubi)

And final step fusing Gen 2 kyubis for gen 3 Kyubi


Gen 2 Kyubi lvl20 (main) + secondary gen 2 Kyubi lvl20 = Gen 3 Lvl20 Kyubi In this step 40-60 or 66% of the white stats of your secondary gen 2 Kyubi added to the green stats of your main Gen 2 Kyubi.


This would be the cheapest and fastest way to get best Gen 3 mount... The reason I think this thread is unnecessary is because there's probably going to be couple pages of same argument between those 2 theories. With all screenshots and proofs from other thread I believe that LedyJos theory is wrong and it's outdated, it worked till couple months ago and at first I agreed with her but not anymore. One thing is for sure there's no way for us to know when something with fusing will change again so I wouldn't take any chances and if you going for best Gen 3 Kyubi get 8 Lvl 20 Kyubis and fuse them, that way you will be 100% sure that you got the best possible stats.

Ok the one I wrote out is for a 100% pure bread Gen3 Kyubi using 8 Kyubis, LadyJo's way is again making a Gen3 Kyubi but a quicker and cheaper form....ironically BOTH ways work. That is whats hard to get around, both are correct.

Also there isn't going to be arguments and stuff, I have done the maths and the fusing. You can do try both ways and see the out come, you will actually get the same out come.

[R2349858]

Ok so after lengthy discussion on the other mount fusion thread and a LOT of maths, I have chosen to redo the mount fusion thread so players don't get confused reading the other thread.

A formula for FULL Bread Kyubi (the expensive and long way)






A Half Bread Kyubi (this shortest and cheapest way)




Hope all of this helps peeps understand it better

Wasn't planning to post here but ok, you have your theory then you post LadyJos theory and say its a shortest and cheapest way. Her theory disagree with yours, but she also say "Perfect, clear and precise" for the theory that she disagree with -_- I'm not sure if either of you bothered reading each others posts lol

Cleary with your Theory Gen 1 + Gen 1 = Green stats of Main gen 1 and secondary gen 1 add together

Her theory Gen 1 + Gen 1 = 40% of white stats of secondary gen 1 mount add to the green stats of your primary mount.

There's no way it can work both ways.

So if you stay true to your theory her cheapest and fastest way would be completely wrong.

The correct cheapest and fastest way would be:

Kybui lvl20 (Main) + Kyubi lvl 20 (secondary) = Gen 1 Kyubi lvl20 (main) Because 40% of your secondary mount will add to your primary mount when you getting gen 1 so its best to get the white stats as high as possible (this is what everyone agree with)

Turtle lvl0 (primary) + Kyubi lvl 20 (secondary) = Gen 1 turle lvl0 (secondary gen 1 mount) lvl0 turtle as primary because with your theory white stats of secondary gen 1 mount don't matter because green stats of secondary gen1 mount will add to green stats of main gen 1 mount.

Now fusing those 2 together to make first gen 2 mount.

Gen 1 Kyubi lvl20 (main) + Gen 1 turle lvl0 (secondary gen 1 mount) = Gen 2 Kyubi lvl20 (main)

Next step getting secondary Gen 2 mount for Gen 3 mount.

With your theory when fusing for Gen 3 White stats of your secondary mount matter again so

Kybui lvl20 + Turtle lvl0 = Gen 1 Kyubi lvl20 Lvl 20 Kyubi because the white stats will be important when you fusing for Gen 3

Turtle lvl0 + Turtle lvl0 = Gen 1 turtle lvl 0 Both mounts lvl 0 turtles because it does't matter how much your green stat increase because they don't matter when fusing for gen 3

Now that you have another 2 gen 1 mounts next step is completing your gen 2 mount.

Gen 1 Kyubi lvl 20 + Gen 1 Turtle lvl0 = Gen 2 Kyubi lvl20 (your secondary gen 2 kyubi)

And final step fusing Gen 2 kyubis for gen 3 Kyubi


Gen 2 Kyubi lvl20 (main) + secondary gen 2 Kyubi lvl20 = Gen 3 Lvl20 Kyubi In this step 40-60 or 66% of the white stats of your secondary gen 2 Kyubi added to the green stats of your main Gen 2 Kyubi.


This would be the cheapest and fastest way to get best Gen 3 mount... The reason I think this thread is unnecessary is because there's probably going to be couple pages of same argument between those 2 theories. With all screenshots and proofs from other thread I believe that LedyJos theory is wrong and it's outdated, it worked till couple months ago and at first I agreed with her but not anymore. One thing is for sure there's no way for us to know when something with fusing will change again so I wouldn't take any chances and if you going for best Gen 3 Kyubi get 8 Lvl 20 Kyubis and fuse them, that way you will be 100% sure that you got the best possible stats.

[R2349858]

Edit: There's no need for another thread, once everyone agree here Shadow can update his guide.

Lol no idea why it posted it here, and I have no idea how to merge posts so if some moderator can :P ty

[R2349858]

Apoloyomi got it right and her maths was pretty much on point. Gratz Apolo!
Here is the calculation for the Gen 1 - 3 (With Turtles)

Gen 1
~Primary~ Lv20 Kyubi + ~Secondary~ Lv20 Kyubi = Kyubi Lv20 FUSED

Gen 2
~Primary~ Lv20 Kyubi + ~Secondary~ Lv20 Kyubi = Kyubi Lv20 FUSED
~Primary~ Lv20 Kyubi + ~Secondary~ Lv0 Turtle = Kyubi Lv20 FUSED TURTLE IS A SECODARY
Now You fuse them both together: Kyubi Gen 2 Lv20

Gen 3 PART 1
~Primary~ Lv20 Kyubi + ~Secondary~ Lv20 Kyubi = Kyubi Lv20 FUSED <--- THIS WILL BE PRIMARY
~Primary~ Lv20 Kyubi + ~Secondary~ Lv0 Turtle = Kyubi Lv20 FUSED <--- THIS WILL BE SECONDARY (When you fuse both of them)
That's for Gen 2 Noww we need to make another Gen 2

Part 2
~Primary~ Lv20 Kyubi + ~Secondary~ Lv0 Turtle = Kyubi Lv20 FUSED <--- THIS WILL BE PRIMARY
~Primary~ Lv0 Turtle + ~Secondary~ Lv0 Turtle = Kyubi Lv20 FUSED <--- THIS WILL BE SECONDARY (When you fuse both of them)
= Gen 2 Mount Lv20

Now you fuse both the fused Gen 2s together
Part 1 Gen 2 Is a PRIMARY Primary
Part 2 Gen 2 Is a Secondary Mount
REMEMBER TO ALSO MAKE THE KYUBIS LV20 because they need the highest white stats as they can.

Gen 2 Kyubi Lv20 (Part 1) + Gen 2 Kyubi Lv20 (Part 2) = Gen 3 Kyubi

That is how you get a Gen 2 Kyubi AS WELL AS a Gen 3, Just follow and read through it EXACTLY how it's layed out.
ShaddowGamma, if you could try this out to approve it for everyone to see lol, would help a lot!

I don't agree with this if when you fusing gen 1 with gen 1 green stats add together the turtle should be primary mount of your secondary gen 1 mount and lvl 20 kyubi should be secondary. And if you think Apoloymi got it right your fusing for gen 2 mount would be wrong. Because she also said that green stats add together, so white stats of secondary gen 1 mount are not important.

So right way to fuse would be...


Kybui lvl20 + Kyubi lvl 20 = Gen 1 Kyubi lvl20

Turtle lvl0 + Kyubi lvl 20 = Gen 1 turle lvl0 (at this point I have 2 gen 1 mounts)

Next I would fuse

Gen 1 Kyubi lvl20 + Gen 1 turtle lvl0 = Gen 2 Kyubi lvl20 < Main Kyubi (Now I have my first gen 2 Kyubi yay me?)


Next step is getting my secondary gen 2 mount that I'm to fuse to my main gen 2 mount for gen 3 mount.

Kybui lvl20 + Turtle lvl0 = Gen 1 Kyubi lvl20

Turtle lvl0 + Turtle lvl0 = Gen 1 turtle lvl 0 (Next fuse is merging my 2 new gen 1 mounts)

Gen 1 Kyubi lvl 20 + Gen 1 Turtle lvl0 = Gen 2 Kyubi lvl20 (Now I got my secondary gen 2 mount and I'm ready to fuse for gen3)


Gen 2 Kyubi lvl20 (your main Kyubi) + Gen 2 Kyubi lvl20 = Gen 3 Kyubi lvl20




Also your part 2 need some editing...~Primary~ Lv0 Turtle + ~Secondary~ Lv0 Turtle = Gen 1 Turtle lvl0 not Kyubi Lv20 FUSED

[LadyJo]

Perfect, Clear and precise.
Well done Apo

[Apoloymi]

to make it less confusing, its all here in full

Mine and LadyJo's

http://forum.r2games.com/showthread....Redone-in-FULL

[Apoloymi]

Mount Fusion Redone in FULL

Ok so after lengthy discussion on the other mount fusion thread and a LOT of maths, I have chosen to redo the mount fusion thread so players don't get confused reading the other thread.

A formula for FULL Bread Kyubi (the expensive and long way)






A Half Bread Kyubi (this shortest and cheapest way)




Hope all of this helps peeps understand it better

[LadyJo]

So my conclusion after this thread is when you fusing for gen 1 its important that you get the white stats of your secondary mount as high as possible because 40% of those stats will transfer to your primary mount. When you fusing for gen 2 mount the white stats isn't important and green stats of your main gen 1 mount will add to green stats of your secondary gen 1 mount. When you fusing for gen 3 the green stats don't matter again and you need to get the white stats of your secondary gen 2 mount as high as possible because 40-60% of those white stats will add up to the green stats of your main gen 2 mount.

So if I was to fuse I would do it like this...

Kybui lvl20 + Kyubi lvl 20 = Gen 1 Kyubi lvl20

Turtle lvl0 + Kyubi lvl 20 = Gen 1 turle lvl0 (at this point I have 2 gen 1 mounts)

Next I would fuse

Gen 1 Kyubi lvl20 + Gen 1 turtle lvl0 = Gen 2 Kyubi lvl20 < Main Kyubi (Now I have my first gen 2 Kyubi yay me?)


Next step is getting my secondary gen 2 mount that I'm to fuse to my main gen 2 mount for gen 3 mount.

Kybui lvl20 + Turtle lvl0 = Gen 1 Kyubi lvl20

Turtle lvl0 + Turtle lvl0 = Gen 1 turtle lvl 0 (Next fuse is merging my 2 new gen 1 mounts)

Gen 1 Kyubi lvl 20 + Gen 1 Turtle lvl0 = Gen 2 Kyubi lvl20 (Now I got my secondary gen 2 mount and I'm ready to fuse for gen3)


Gen 2 Kyubi lvl20 (your main Kyubi) + Gen 2 Kyubi lvl20 = Gen 3 Kyubi lvl20


Now if you did read from start you will understand why I used turtles, also if this formula is correct (And from what I saw on this thread it should be?lol) this would be the cheapest and most effective way to get best gen 3 Kyubi. Hope that makes sense to some of you at least :P

Apoloyomi got it right and her maths was pretty much on point. Gratz Apolo!
Here is the calculation for the Gen 1 - 3 (With Turtles)

Gen 1
~Primary~ Lv20 Kyubi + ~Secondary~ Lv20 Kyubi = Kyubi Lv20 FUSED

Gen 2
~Primary~ Lv20 Kyubi + ~Secondary~ Lv20 Kyubi = Kyubi Lv20 FUSED
~Primary~ Lv20 Kyubi + ~Secondary~ Lv0 Turtle = Kyubi Lv20 FUSED TURTLE IS A SECODARY
Now You fuse them both together: Kyubi Gen 2 Lv20

Gen 3 PART 1
~Primary~ Lv20 Kyubi + ~Secondary~ Lv20 Kyubi = Kyubi Lv20 FUSED <--- THIS WILL BE PRIMARY
~Primary~ Lv20 Kyubi + ~Secondary~ Lv0 Turtle = Kyubi Lv20 FUSED <--- THIS WILL BE SECONDARY (When you fuse both of them)
That's for Gen 2 Noww we need to make another Gen 2

Part 2
~Primary~ Lv20 Kyubi + ~Secondary~ Lv0 Turtle = Kyubi Lv20 FUSED <--- THIS WILL BE PRIMARY
~Primary~ Lv0 Turtle + ~Secondary~ Lv0 Turtle = Kyubi Lv20 FUSED <--- THIS WILL BE SECONDARY (When you fuse both of them)
= Gen 2 Mount Lv20

Now you fuse both the fused Gen 2s together
Part 1 Gen 2 Is a PRIMARY Primary
Part 2 Gen 2 Is a Secondary Mount
REMEMBER TO ALSO MAKE THE KYUBIS LV20 because they need the highest white stats as they can.

Gen 2 Kyubi Lv20 (Part 1) + Gen 2 Kyubi Lv20 (Part 2) = Gen 3 Kyubi

That is how you get a Gen 2 Kyubi AS WELL AS a Gen 3, Just follow and read through it EXACTLY how it's layed out.
ShaddowGamma, if you could try this out to approve it for everyone to see lol, would help a lot!

[Apoloymi]

So my conclusion after this thread is when you fusing for gen 1 its important that you get the white stats of your secondary mount as high as possible because 40% of those stats will transfer to your primary mount. When you fusing for gen 2 mount the white stats isn't important and green stats of your main gen 1 mount will add to green stats of your secondary gen 1 mount. When you fusing for gen 3 the green stats don't matter again and you need to get the white stats of your secondary gen 2 mount as high as possible because 40-60% of those white stats will add up to the green stats of your main gen 2 mount.

So if I was to fuse I would do it like this...

Kybui lvl20 + Kyubi lvl 20 = Gen 1 Kyubi lvl20

Turtle lvl0 + Kyubi lvl 20 = Gen 1 turle lvl0 (at this point I have 2 gen 1 mounts)

Next I would fuse

Gen 1 Kyubi lvl20 + Gen 1 turtle lvl0 = Gen 2 Kyubi lvl20 < Main Kyubi (Now I have my first gen 2 Kyubi yay me?)


Next step is getting my secondary gen 2 mount that I'm to fuse to my main gen 2 mount for gen 3 mount.

Kybui lvl20 + Turtle lvl0 = Gen 1 Kyubi lvl20

Turtle lvl0 + Turtle lvl0 = Gen 1 turtle lvl 0 (Next fuse is merging my 2 new gen 1 mounts)

Gen 1 Kyubi lvl 20 + Gen 1 Turtle lvl0 = Gen 2 Kyubi lvl20 (Now I got my secondary gen 2 mount and I'm ready to fuse for gen3)


Gen 2 Kyubi lvl20 (your main Kyubi) + Gen 2 Kyubi lvl20 = Gen 3 Kyubi lvl20


Now if you did read from start you will understand why I used turtles, also if this formula is correct (And from what I saw on this thread it should be?lol) this would be the cheapest and most effective way to get best gen 3 Kyubi. Hope that makes sense to some of you at least :P

read about my 40% part very carefully before you do this....

one my workings out is for a pure bread fox, not a half bread fox, also if you look here



the reason the green add together on a gen2 pure is because it is 40% of the white already. This is where the confusion was, after hours of maths and constant testing and a headache that is still with me and does not seem to want to leave me D: I do believe that if you wanted to use a turtle in the making of a gen3 fox then it is all about the white through out, and not the green. I say this because I tested it and ruined one of my mounts in the process, your fox has to be the primary throughout the process no matter what you put in.

[R2349858]

So my conclusion after this thread is when you fusing for gen 1 its important that you get the white stats of your secondary mount as high as possible because 40% of those stats will transfer to your primary mount. When you fusing for gen 2 mount the white stats isn't important and green stats of your main gen 1 mount will add to green stats of your secondary gen 1 mount. When you fusing for gen 3 the green stats don't matter again and you need to get the white stats of your secondary gen 2 mount as high as possible because 40-60% of those white stats will add up to the green stats of your main gen 2 mount.

So if I was to fuse I would do it like this...

Kybui lvl20 + Kyubi lvl 20 = Gen 1 Kyubi lvl20

Turtle lvl0 + Kyubi lvl 20 = Gen 1 turle lvl0 (at this point I have 2 gen 1 mounts)

Next I would fuse

Gen 1 Kyubi lvl20 + Gen 1 turtle lvl0 = Gen 2 Kyubi lvl20 < Main Kyubi (Now I have my first gen 2 Kyubi yay me?)


Next step is getting my secondary gen 2 mount that I'm to fuse to my main gen 2 mount for gen 3 mount.

Kybui lvl20 + Turtle lvl0 = Gen 1 Kyubi lvl20

Turtle lvl0 + Turtle lvl0 = Gen 1 turtle lvl 0 (Next fuse is merging my 2 new gen 1 mounts)

Gen 1 Kyubi lvl 20 + Gen 1 Turtle lvl0 = Gen 2 Kyubi lvl20 (Now I got my secondary gen 2 mount and I'm ready to fuse for gen3)


Gen 2 Kyubi lvl20 (your main Kyubi) + Gen 2 Kyubi lvl20 = Gen 3 Kyubi lvl20


Now if you did read from start you will understand why I used turtles, also if this formula is correct (And from what I saw on this thread it should be?lol) this would be the cheapest and most effective way to get best gen 3 Kyubi. Hope that makes sense to some of you at least :P

[cruelintension]

Apolyomi that makes sense, I even said r2 gets things wrong lol So thank you on that and i support you on that part
The adding business >.> Ehh, i understand what you're saying if they were both Lv20 mounts same breed same level and so on then you can say it "Adds" together
But if it was like.. 1 primary was Lv20 kyubi was to merge with a Secondary kyubi Lv0 (Both Gen1), the 40% from the secondary Lv0 kyubi white stats would be transferred and yep (Added) onto the green stats.
All in all, you pretty much hit the nail on it's head.

[Apoloymi]

[LadyJo]

You do know r2 do get things wrong? Or are you up their arse so hard you think they do everything correctly? If every single equation they created was precise we wouldn't have bugs and so on.. Duhh x.x They can be flawed especially with new things.
"When going from Gen 1 to Gen 2 if both of your Gen 1's are the same then the green stats add together. I am not wrong." If you think this is right then you don't understand what i'm saying...
You're basically saying " if both of your Gen 1's are the same then the green stats add together"
It's not as simple as that lol.. It's nothing simply green stats adding together, you need to understand WHY they are adding together.. This is due to
40% of the secondary's white base stats have been converted and combined to the primary mounts green stats..


You don't get what i'm talking about at all and the equation that was done was pretty much as close to what r2 got you ever had..
This can be seen as a theory then and this blows your theory to bits.
World is sephere Vs World is flat lol..
"Here is the thing though right, so my math is still right though, when using all the same mount. Does not matter if they are all lvl 1 or all level 20."
It DOES matter..
Test it this way to prove your theory wrong (Because we're looking to help people through the right theory):
(Primary Lv20) Kyubi + (Secondary Lv20) Kyubi = Gen 1
(Primary Lv0) Kyubi + (Secondary Lv20) Kyubi = Gen 1
Fuse both them together and PLEASE Screen shot it.

Then do this:
(Primary Lv20) Kyubi + (Secondary Lv20) Kyubi = Gen 1
(Primary Lv20) Kyubi + (Secondary Lv20) Kyubi = Gen 1

Check the difference in green stats.. Screen shot both and we will see what you get from it.

Because it's beginning to be seriously annoying that you're simply giving wrong information to people coming from a mod.. and you do not understand what i'm saying otherwise you wouldn't be saying this garbage.
You can call me a person who always wants to be right, Meh, i want to give people the RIGHT answer and yours isn't.
Let's get r2Rob on the case lol
It is not just same + same = add together<--

[BlazingAngel]

BlazingAngel... I need you to actually understand what i'm trying to say here x.x You want to know why it's like this?

You did not level the mounts, you've made that clear, yes?
The fusion does NOT affect the white stats in any way, the white stats are only affected through leveling the mounts to Lv20 OR Giving them mount food.
Everything i've said so far is true and evident, I've been trying to help but people keep battering what was right in front of them.

Let me explain properly:
The reason why you think it's just green stats adding together is because you are USING 2nd Gen SUPER KYUBI'S SO THE WHITE STATS ARE NOT CHANGED, THEREFORE GETTING THE EXCAT AMOUNT OF GREEN STATS.
^ That part is important in understanding.

You made a (Primary) Super Kyubi + (Secondary) Super Kyubi <-- Gen 1
You even said this: "White Stats stay the same, Green stats are 40% of the White Stats." <-- REALLY IMPORTANT
When they fused the mount gained 40% of the white stats from the (Secondary Kyubi) This equates to: 41.6%

You made a (Primary) Super Kyubi + (Secondary) Super Kyubi <-- Gen 2
You even said this: "White Stats stay the same, Green stats are 40% of the White Stats." <-- REALLY IMPORTANT (THIS PROCESS HAPPENS AGAIN HERE)
When they fused the mount gained 40% of the white stats from the (Secondary Kyubi) This equates to: 41.6% (You ignore the green stats, like i said, green stats mean NOTHING here)
Therefore you gained: 41.6 + 41.6 = 83.2% Yep? Understand so far?
Now let's go to Gen 3, what EXACTLY happened.

You made a (Primary) Super Kyubi + (Secondary) Super Kyubi <-- Gen 3
You even said this: "White Stats stay the same, Green stats are 40% of the White Stats." <-- REALLY IMPORTANT
This is whats happening for Gen 3 now..
Only 40% of the (Secondary) Kyubis 40% of the WHITE stats are being transferred to the primary mount as (Green) Stats. So it ended up like this:
Previously your Gen 2 mount had 83.2% Player HP +41.6% (Only 40% of White stats of the mount has been transferred as green stats to the Gen 3 mount)
Resulting in: 138.2% (This is wrong i know but LOL It might just be r2's fault for this part, instead of giving 40% they may transfer more due to it being Gen 3 ~ It's something that happens)

If you don't believe me BlazingAngel, try this..
Use a (Primary) Kyubi + (Secondary) Kyubi = Gen 1 Kyubi THEN do this:
Get a (Primary) Kyubi + (Secondary) Turtle = Gen 1 Kyubi
In theory only the 40% of the secondary WHITE (Base) stats are going to be transferred from the kyubi and NOT the turtles stats.

ShadowGamma What you did wrong was: (Primary) Kyubi + (Secondary) Kyubi = Gen 1 HOWEVER (Primary) Turtle + (Secondary) Kyubi.
Theresfore, When merging the Green stats from the secondary mount effect NOTHING You gained 40% of the turtles base stats and therefore.. giving you a [poor] mount.

This is what i've been trying to say overall.. It is not a bug, it's just actually understanding that r2 only uses white stats to get a % because White stats are what are important in the game.
If there are any questions i'm here to help lol x.x

You understand that THIS is exactly what I already said in my post right. That I understood the reason that both of us were right. Here is the thing though right, so my math is still right though, when using all the same mount. Does not matter if they are all lvl 1 or all level 20. When going from Gen 1 to Gen 2 if both of your Gen 1's are the same then the green stats add together. I am not wrong. But you are also not wrong. I get that this is a 40% transfer rate. I really do get that. I am NOT arguing with you. I do not have an absolute need to be right, and I am sorry that you do. I am saying that for either of our systems to be absolute, then it has to follow through. I am pretty sure eventually you will be able to make a Gen 5 mount (ouch!) So what then, if we dont know the actual process behind it. Not to mention that eventually there will also be new mounts (hopefully sooner rather than later). Now with better mounts and higher Generations then you want to know exactly where you stand. Sadly, you cannot start an equation, say that it works, and when you get to the end see a part that does not work but say something like: "This is wrong i know but LOL It might just be r2's fault for this part, instead of giving 40% they may transfer more due to it being Gen 3 ~ It's something that happens" The thing is, when making your Gen 3 it still shows a 40% conversion rate. So those stats are either coming from somewhere else or something, I dont know. Im pretty sure that it shows the rate that the program is set to transfer. So why was the transfer rate 66% instead. And where did they come from. Or should we just be sitting saying "Oh well the rate should be 40%, and I am just going to pretend that it is 40%" Yup, not me.

Once again I understand your method. I understand your math. Neither of us are right, and neither of us are wrong. But neither of us has even come close to the actual answer. Because like I said, the formula should be a pattern, that makes sense. Because that is how things work. You should be able to add another step into it, and not have the formula change. Sadly, neither of our formulas work at the Gen 3 level. Mine because they did not add together, yours because there was not a 40% transfer rate. So even though That is how we both see things, there is still a different answer out there. That extra 26% came from SOMEWHERE!

[LadyJo]

Okay, there is for SURE flaws in the system. I started from scratch this evening. And still, I am confused. I still think that what happens is in the middle of everyone's theory somewhere. But I cannot tell exactly where it is. I am really hating the fighting that is going on in the thread. It is not about being snarky, and it is NOT about who is right and who is wrong. This is about finding the right answers together so that we have the most accurate information. At least that is what it should be about. So can we PLEASE keep it to trying to figure out exactly how everything is?

Here are my screenshots of what I did. This was me trying to figure BASE conversion rate. How the stats transferred. That is all. Not the best way to do it, because guess what? The best way to do it is subjective. So let me put my Screenshots up for everyone and then I will explain a little more.

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(Haha I dont know why they all turned out different sizes. Silly computer)

But as you can see the white stats stay the same through the entire process. Because there is not ANY change in white stats unless you level or feed your mount. Period. That is a FACT. That is the only FACT that I am going to further state.
Now I started from scratch. This is the same way that I made the other one that I referenced earlier, but I never even thought of taking screenshots of every stage before. Every single mount that went into every single Generation of this mount was made fresh today. So I had a clean fresh baseline. So, What I previously said was true. From my experience making a Gen 2 the way the stats worked was like this: Gen 1: White Stats stay the same, Green stats are 40% of the White Stats. That is true. Then for Gen 2, I said that White Stats stayed the same, but the Green Stats added together. Which is true in my mount.So lets only look at the HP stats as the other stats just follow suit shall we. 41.6 + 41.6 = 83.2. I also stated that the only way this would be affected would be by feeding your mount prior to Gen 1. And that when making your mounts only the feeding of the Primary mount matters.

Gen 3 is the issue. Basically with my theory, which holds true through Gen 2, does not work with Gen 3. Once again only working with the HP stats as the other stats will follow the same pattern. As, 83.2 + 83.2 = 166.4. But wait. My mount has, 138.2. So that does not work. Alright so lets try your method. Which would be that it is always 40% of the secondary Mounts White stats get transferred. Well since I never leveled or fed any of my mounts the white stats have always stayed the same. So that means that we are going to take the Gen 2 HP and add 40% of the white stats onto it. So, 83.2 + 41.6 =124.8... WHAT?! See that does not make sense either. After doing a little math and then consulting a couple friends, it seems that if we look at it as a % rate that is always transferring then we are actually looking at a 66% (round about) rate of transfer.

This is why no one should be fighting here. We should be trying to figure this all out. And this is also why I believe that none of us have the exact right answer. That the right answer lies somewhere in the middle of it all.

BlazingAngel... I need you to actually understand what i'm trying to say here x.x You want to know why it's like this?

You did not level the mounts, you've made that clear, yes?
The fusion does NOT affect the white stats in any way, the white stats are only affected through leveling the mounts to Lv20 OR Giving them mount food.
Everything i've said so far is true and evident, I've been trying to help but people keep battering what was right in front of them.

Let me explain properly:
The reason why you think it's just green stats adding together is because you are USING 2nd Gen SUPER KYUBI'S SO THE WHITE STATS ARE NOT CHANGED, THEREFORE GETTING THE EXCAT AMOUNT OF GREEN STATS.
^ That part is important in understanding.

You made a (Primary) Super Kyubi + (Secondary) Super Kyubi <-- Gen 1
You even said this: "White Stats stay the same, Green stats are 40% of the White Stats." <-- REALLY IMPORTANT
When they fused the mount gained 40% of the white stats from the (Secondary Kyubi) This equates to: 41.6%

You made a (Primary) Super Kyubi + (Secondary) Super Kyubi <-- Gen 2
You even said this: "White Stats stay the same, Green stats are 40% of the White Stats." <-- REALLY IMPORTANT (THIS PROCESS HAPPENS AGAIN HERE)
When they fused the mount gained 40% of the white stats from the (Secondary Kyubi) This equates to: 41.6% (You ignore the green stats, like i said, green stats mean NOTHING here)
Therefore you gained: 41.6 + 41.6 = 83.2% Yep? Understand so far?
Now let's go to Gen 3, what EXACTLY happened.

You made a (Primary) Super Kyubi + (Secondary) Super Kyubi <-- Gen 3
You even said this: "White Stats stay the same, Green stats are 40% of the White Stats." <-- REALLY IMPORTANT
This is whats happening for Gen 3 now..
Only 40% of the (Secondary) Kyubis 40% of the WHITE stats are being transferred to the primary mount as (Green) Stats. So it ended up like this:
Previously your Gen 2 mount had 83.2% Player HP +41.6% (Only 40% of White stats of the mount has been transferred as green stats to the Gen 3 mount)
Resulting in: 138.2% (This is wrong i know but LOL It might just be r2's fault for this part, instead of giving 40% they may transfer more due to it being Gen 3 ~ It's something that happens)

If you don't believe me BlazingAngel, try this..
Use a (Primary) Kyubi + (Secondary) Kyubi = Gen 1 Kyubi THEN do this:
Get a (Primary) Kyubi + (Secondary) Turtle = Gen 1 Kyubi
In theory only the 40% of the secondary WHITE (Base) stats are going to be transferred from the kyubi and NOT the turtles stats.

ShadowGamma What you did wrong was: (Primary) Kyubi + (Secondary) Kyubi = Gen 1 HOWEVER (Primary) Turtle + (Secondary) Kyubi.
Theresfore, When merging the Green stats from the secondary mount effect NOTHING You gained 40% of the turtles base stats and therefore.. giving you a [poor] mount.

This is what i've been trying to say overall.. It is not a bug, it's just actually understanding that r2 only uses white stats to get a % because White stats are what are important in the game.
If there are any questions i'm here to help lol x.x