[Insight Guide] Mount Fusion Advanced

[BlazingAngel]

LOL, The saddest thing. Not trying to convince you. If I am flawed I want to know it. And there is still the chance that I am wrong. Hell, it might be some strange reasons for stat transfers that none of us will EVER figure out. All I know is that after the testing that I have done, the best way to do it, for the strongest possible mount, is to go pure bred. That is what I know for a fact. But when it comes to the exact transfer rate, I dont know exactly right now. You guys have for sure raised sufficient doubt in my head on the transfer rate. Honestly though, I am pretty sure that I was right when I said about all of us being a little wrong and a little right. I think that the true answer for the stat transfer rate is somewhere in the middle.

[R2349858]

I might want to point out that the difference in the white stats could be based on feeding. Mount food enhances white stats. Since I would random a guess that LadyJo has had her Gen 2 longer than the screenshot of the Lvl 20 Gen 2 from my server, then I am also going to guess that she has fed that mount considerably more.

You are right, I forgot about mount food for a moment. Either way I'm just wait with till new morphs to mount are released before getting gen 3 and will feed them all to lvl 20 just to be 100% sure, never know when things might change again. For the record you convinced me that your theory about fusing is correct one (for now at least :P)

[BlazingAngel]

I might want to point out that the difference in the white stats could be based on feeding. Mount food enhances white stats. Since I would random a guess that LadyJo has had her Gen 2 longer than the screenshot of the Lvl 20 Gen 2 from my server, then I am also going to guess that she has fed that mount considerably more.

[R2349858]

I dont know, a month ago. But the screenshot of the Gen 2 from my server, that one is not nearly as old. And he made it after speaking to me, and creating it gave him the same results.

Well I got my gen 2 about a month or two after I posted this http://forum.r2games.com/showthread....93-Super-Kyubi thread so almost a year ago and the fox on screenshot I posted above is around 6months old so I might as well be wrong now and fusing changed -_-

If green + green add up when you getting gen 2 or 3 mount there shouldn't be transfer rate 40% on fuse screen because its misleading.

[BlazingAngel]

I dont know, a month ago. But the screenshot of the Gen 2 from my server, that one is not nearly as old. And he made it after speaking to me, and creating it gave him the same results.

[R2349858]

LadyJo this is the Gen2 Kyubi you posted



I can see by the stats it is not s pure beard

This is a Gen2 Kyubi PURE bread off my server



As you can see, the Pure bread wins by a LONG shot


Once you have made 2 Gen1 Kyubis the white stats count for nothing its all about the green status on these mounts, as the green ADD together. So the higher you can get your Green stats on the Gen1s the better your Gen2 will be.

BlazingAngel is very correct in her post, the only time the white stats count for anything is when you are making Gen1 that is it, because its 40% of these white stats that give the Green starting point stats, once you have the green stats it all goes off this

Now if you take a closer look at those 2 screenshots you will notice that LadyJos white stats of the fox are 5 or so % higher than the Kyubi you posted. So there isn't any real difference.



That's a screenshot of a kyubi where player used Lvl 20 fox + lvl 1 turtle as secondary mount for second gen 1 mount, clearly if green + green add up for gen2 those results should be much worse?

Also if what BlazingAngel and Apoloymi are saying is true then its ok to fuse:

Kyubi + lvl 20 Kyubi = Gen 1 Kyubi

Turtle + Lvl 20 Kyubi = Gen 1 turtle

Gen 1 Kyubi + Gen 1 turtle = Gen 2 kyubi for best results because the white stats of secondary gen 1 mount don't matter?

Clearly that shouldn't be right because when you go to fuse it says 40% transfer rate. If its green stats + green stats when you getting gen 2 mount then there's something wrong with fusing.But there's also possibility that something changed in fusing and as per usual players have to figure it out on their own.

Okay, So I am just going to clarify what I meant for the stat transfers. I was NOT saying that the white stats do not matter. What I am saying is that the white stats DO matter when you are making a Gen 1. The white stats of your SECONDARY mount count, because 40% of the white stats transfer and become the green stats of your Gen 1. AFTER you have a Gen 1 is when the white stats no longer matter. Because when you fuse two Gen 1 mounts together, the Green Stats of each of them will ADD together. I will sit here tonight for a little bit and make another Gen 2 Purebred Kyubi (identical to the one that I posted a screenshot of) and Fuse a Gen 3 for you guys so that you can see what a Purebred Gen 3 Kyubi looks like, and we can also check on the stat transfer rate.

Like I said I am all about helping.
And I am hoping that making a Gen 3 will help.

May I know how long ago did you do these tests?

[BlazingAngel]

The layout still applys to any mount, Whether it's Kilin or Kyubi or even a new mount r2 makes. You've done it a longer way, because you thought white and green stats are accumilated to create that specific mount and you're probably scared of not getting the max bonus... It's true xD People do that!
We're giving another option, instead of thinking both green and white stats combine, we've only seen the white stats get transferred, if it really was combined (White + Green) we'd see a bigger % increase don't you think?

Okay, So I am just going to clarify what I meant for the stat transfers. I was NOT saying that the white stats do not matter. What I am saying is that the white stats DO matter when you are making a Gen 1. The white stats of your SECONDARY mount count, because 40% of the white stats transfer and become the green stats of your Gen 1. AFTER you have a Gen 1 is when the white stats no longer matter. Because when you fuse two Gen 1 mounts together, the Green Stats of each of them will ADD together. I will sit here tonight for a little bit and make another Gen 2 Purebred Kyubi (identical to the one that I posted a screenshot of) and Fuse a Gen 3 for you guys so that you can see what a Purebred Gen 3 Kyubi looks like, and we can also check on the stat transfer rate.

Like I said I am all about helping.
And I am hoping that making a Gen 3 will help.

[Apoloymi]

LadyJo this is the Gen2 Kyubi you posted



I can see by the stats it is not s pure beard

This is a Gen2 Kyubi PURE bread off my server



As you can see, the Pure bread wins by a LONG shot


Once you have made 2 Gen1 Kyubis the white stats count for nothing its all about the green status on these mounts, as the green ADD together. So the higher you can get your Green stats on the Gen1s the better your Gen2 will be.

BlazingAngel is very correct in her post, the only time the white stats count for anything is when you are making Gen1 that is it, because its 40% of these white stats that give the Green starting point stats, once you have the green stats it all goes off this

[BlazingAngel]

Okay. So, the reason that I had not responded is because I was not at home with access to my computer. Kind of hard to post screenshots that are on my personal computer when I dont have access to my personal computer. Sorry that I said I would show you my personal results yesterday and it took me until today for me to get them up there for you. But I am here now, and I will show you my results now.

So both of the mounts that I am about to show you, both are Gen 2 Kyubi. All of the mounts that were used for fusion were Unfed Level 1 Mounts. Just want to add that in there as the way that I saw the stats transfer, leveling and feeding your mount would change the stats.

___Gen 2 Purebred:_______________________________________ Gen 2 Turtle bred Kyubi
_________________________

Im pretty sure that you can see the huge difference in those stats. That was making the Turtle bred mount using your formula. Exactly the same formula. Because this was not the first time that I had heard that it was possible to do this. And I was being asked if it was true. Obviously, I could not give adequate advice on the matter if I was not confident in my answers. Still, if I am wrong and you can show me where I am wrong, then I will gladly change my opinion. But sadly, having tried both methods previously, and seeing the massive difference in stats between the two. I will stick by my opinion of it being best to do purebred. Not to mention, those stats are going to be much much better with leveled and fed mounts. In fact... (Just went to my home server because I know someone that did it with leveled and fed Kyubi)

This is a Kyubi when it has been Leveled and fed for Fusion:


Do what you will with the information that I have given you guys. I hope that you can see what I am talking about. And who knows. We might both be right, and we might both be wrong and the right answer is stuck somewhere in the middle.

[LadyJo]

I think mods have access to test server from time to time.

Just an assumption because she said "I actually did this several times, and i even did it with a turtle." I'll just wait for her screenshots.

She's wrote paragraphs lol, you think she wouldn't message as soon as she can to prove us wrong?

and @Slayerino Ofc it isn't the safe method but it works right now lol and it should be like that anyway, white stats are important in the game and green stats are always altered.. If they were to combine them.. Then everyone would be really strong and we'd have mounts that give like 100% per merge.
Gen 2 or Gen 3 would give like 200% or even 300% lol
It should always be how it orginally is

[Slayerino]

I wasn't talking about that, her logic was wrong and thats evident. I'm saying, using loads of kyubis to make the next gen still works but isn't the brightest idea

That can be debated, never know when r2 ninja patches stuff that they've seen/heard from somewhere so that's not exactly too safe method.

[R2349858]

I wasn't talking about that, her logic was wrong and thats evident. I'm saying, using loads of kyubis to make the next gen still works but isn't the brightest idea

I think mods have access to test server from time to time.

Just an assumption because she said "I actually did this several times, and i even did it with a turtle." I'll just wait for her screenshots.

[LadyJo]

I wasn't talking about that, her logic was wrong and thats evident. I'm saying, using loads of kyubis to make the next gen still works but isn't the brightest idea

[R2349858]

your method isn't bad at all, it works!

I don't understand, are you talking about her method of fusing mounts? Because that's really not important, the important is to confirm if the green stats from secondary mount transfer or not. From what I have seen/experienced so far they don't. And from what she says it's only the green stats that transfer.

[LadyJo]

The layout still applys to any mount, Whether it's Kilin or Kyubi or even a new mount r2 makes. You've done it a longer way, because you thought white and green stats are accumilated to create that specific mount and you're probably scared of not getting the max bonus... It's true xD People do that!
We're giving another option, instead of thinking both green and white stats combine, we've only seen the white stats get transferred, if it really was combined (White + Green) we'd see a bigger % increase don't you think?

You can screen shot your Kyubi 2nd Gen and My screen shot is here (Using the method shown):


If you bring out a mount with Godly stats (Excluding pet food) then I'll admit i'm one dumb tool lol
and We understand you're fine with being proved wrong, We're here to help, your method isn't bad at all, it works!
But, you really wanna spend 1k+ more g muts?