Rest in peace Sengolia

[elsage]

new fair sengolia last only 3mins less, more than that it equals spawnkilling,
i missed old sengolia,
rip sengolia

[speeds16]

hell I love the figure of speech here. and I really do miss the hour long last-minute victory sengolia's... loved it when a killstreak of 5 was legendary, and where 15 got you standing on your chair cheering.

It was my favourite event from the beginning, unfortunately with every merge it became shorter, rushed by many cause "it's just a game lol" when you affect real people. Eventho R2 doesn't seem to give a **** about this issue I will remain trying to make it last longer without the spawnkillers.

(Last night our L1 seng had literally 20 people on blue, 0 on red. absolutely nobody for 2min. When someone finally did show on red it got grouped by the usual spawnkillers >>)

[Kisara1]

I got into L2 seng last night when it started, tried to meteor the person killing the crystal, they 1-shot me and by the time I could move again, it was over.
I remeber those days when seng would end in a draw as well, and I miss them. People have no respect for the game, and it is a game. It is there to be enjoyed. I enjoy playing seng and being able to kill people to take out a little frusteration, but whe both sengs are over by 3 min after the hour? There is something wrong with that.

Suggestion for the GM, should they ever read this- Make the crystal like Gotor. Everyone hits a pre-determined amount on it, and it needs, say 100 hits to die. This will at least give some time for the event to be played and for the teams to defend. But people being able to solo it in 15 seconds? There is something wrong there.

[ShadowGammaDraco]

moral of this story is that GMS of this game are panzy's.. there affraid to do anything to this game to make it better for us or the new user's regardless. that seng (buff) you get to compete with other players= useless, they lose more money losen new player who play about 3 to 4 days then decide to leave and never come back due to leveling at the start of this game or haven high level beat on them in seng or in gr without letting them gain honor to even increase there gear. it ridiculous. and some retard will post on this page saying (well just find a high level player who guild has them on the kill list to kill them). we gave them million of ideas on how improve the game or what wanted it or what should be done, all they do is read it and trash it.. if it doesnt please them it doesnt get added to the game...



to the GM's: YOU ASKED FOR IDEA'S WE GAVE U THEM WHERE'S THE CHANGE?

they didn't create the original version of the game. any changes to the core game they have to dispute with main copyright owners in various ways most likely which takes time. some of the idea's a lot of ppl like. few would need brushing up on. they already made some changes to seng. how does that make them panzy's that they did what they could for the time being? i've gotten by just fine as a non casher i have full purple slayer. full gold savage and working on purple savage already have one piece working on another currently lv 40 eido and i've been lazy. if your not in a pvp server there isn't much to do that they can make it so you can't advance in the game. to act like that is dull and ill informed. 3-4 days an ppl quit? pfft that's the poorest excuse for dropping out of a game "omg i'm so distraught after two days of playing i can't take it anymore this isn't fair waaaa"... that is weak. super poor-sport attitude..i'd like to see ppl try that at each job they get an quit then see what happens when you get try getting hired again. if you or they give up, all you can do is blame yourself no one else for you quitting as quitting is a choice you make, i started on a PVP server when they had a few month head start, most players already level 60+ hitting scion etc. got 3 chars green savage working on blue made them each lv 55-60 in a couple moths with 9 alts, by that time everyone is 60-80 scion. farming REV vault NM at level 40 when everyone complains like its impossible in such a server, or that FSE prices should stay at 25g because no one knows how to get them except cashers. I CALL FARKLE. i was killing people a WHOLE plane higher then me in seng with my two shell characters that were like skeletons besides the savage gear against ppl with hellwings an aura etc etc angel lord. and they were cashers too. loved taking screen shots of them going "dayum, gangbang" . so pro they thought i was multiple ppl. ya i died a lot too. but who cares, you learn better tactics and techniques to fight people after battling them a while. if your gonna freak out every-time you break a nail this game might not be for you.

. don't take that as i don't think there shouldn't be changes. yes i do believe it should get tweaked. but we shouldn't be taking it out on GMs since its not their fault. when you sit here all day trashing the people who would be possibly fixing it, you think they would want to even touch it? i wouldn't, we should instead show them our support. how is it the GM's fault that those players CHOOSE on their own free will to camp how they camp? its not, gms aren't moving ppls chars around like puppets in seng. some people like to play dirty. that's not the gm's fault.


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[venomeh]

they don't OWN the game. any changes to the core game they have to dispute with main copyright owners in various ways most likely which takes time.

And that takes them half a year? (Priest skills)

when you sit here all day trashing the people who would be possibly fixing it, you think they would want to even touch it? i wouldn't, we should instead show them our support.

Well it's pretty obvious that it goes to that if people first tries to be friendly and helpful, but just gets plain ignored and nothing changes in half a year even after good suggestions & feedback. What, you expect people to not get annoyed a bit from such a behavior?

[ShadowGammaDraco]

And that takes them half a year? (Priest skills)



Well it's pretty obvious that it goes to that if people first tries to be friendly and helpful, but just gets plain ignored and nothing changes in half a year even after good suggestions & feedback. What, you expect people to not get annoyed a bit from such a behavior?

assuming things are being ignored just because they don't sit here and reply to every seng thread made each day doesn't mean they are ignoring anything.( or priest) and if i remember correctly. mods helped remake priest thread an rephrase the request for changes to priest to make it look better for gm's as well. that's ignoring everyone? people who don't even get paid for this spending hours each day to perfect the perfect pitch for these things an make them nice an neat +feasible? what if they didn't want to say anything because they didn't want to make a promise they couldn't keep? does that mean that are ignoring it and not trying> no. your all just assuming things.

[venomeh]

assuming things are being ignored just because they don't sit here and reply to every seng thread made each day doesn't mean they are ignoring anything.( or priest) and if i remember correctly. mods helped remake priest thread an rephrase the request for changes to priest to make it look better for gm's as well. that's ignoring everyone? people who don't even get paid for this spending hours each day to perfect the perfect pitch for these things an make them nice an neat +feasible? what if they didn't want to say anything because they didn't want to make a promise they couldn't keep? does that mean that are ignoring it and not trying> no. your all just assuming things.

Mod* Who disappeared to nowhere, my assumption is that he got sick that nothing was done what he suggested. And yeah he felt the need to change the skills as well so he wanted to help with that. "what if they didn't want to say anything because they didn't want to make a promise they couldn't keep?" A simple "Thanks for bringing this to our attention, we'll be sure take a look at it" would've done much, but nope, not even that. And yes it does indeed, people creates some awesome topics in the suggestion section which gets (lots of) only positive feedback from the community, yet nothing.

[ShadowGammaDraco]

Mod* Who disappeared to nowhere, my assumption is that he got sick that nothing was done what he suggested. And yeah he felt the need to change the skills as well so he wanted to help with that. "what if they didn't want to say anything because they didn't want to make a promise they couldn't keep?" A simple "Thanks for bringing this to our attention, we'll be sure take a look at it" would've done much, but nope, not even that. And yes it does indeed, people creates some awesome topics in the suggestion section which gets (lots of) only positive feedback from the community, yet nothing.

lol again there you go assuming things. you know people have a life. they have to get a job an go to school. maybe all that time doing stuff for no $ for a community of haters got to them. like, they ran out of $ to buy food an stuff an wanted to advance in life. and gm's have replied on seng threads before. and his priest thread was sent to gm's as well. the more positive feedback on something the more it gets noticed. but again. instead of ppl going "i will not support cs blah blah blah because of this, i quit", is that really helping anything? probably not. what happens when you cut a schools budget down to bare min? you run out of room in classes, not enough materials etc etc. even for priest stuff. that's not their fault, they didn't make the game. but its been shown if enough positive feedback an desire from this specific player base is there, then stuff has a larger tendency to happen. or there would never be a gmut event. or pet extravaganza. or changes to all those and fragarach weapons etc etc, i'd say the evidence speaks for itself that R2 does listen and care. they even brought out player made costumes.

[MemoryLane]

Mod* Who disappeared to nowhere, my assumption is that he got sick that nothing was done what he suggested. And yeah he felt the need to change the skills as well so he wanted to help with that.

Said mod has real life things to tend to at the moment. His project was still a work in progress. He knew it would take looking at the whole class, then look at every suggestion and how it relates to all the other aspects of the game, before discussing it with the GMs. It was never meant to be a fast process.

Just like changes to Seng aren't going to be a fast process. To change Seng in any way might benefit the players on older servers, but those same changes might hinder a newer server. Yes, I agree Seng could be revamped- I don't need to go anymore so I don't even bother with it at all, though I did love the one place where pvp could exist without world chat flooding with profanity over being killed. But, I also know there is no fast and simple solution to the problem. Then, it has to be taken into account that there's only so much they are allowed to change, whether or not they really like an idea sometimes it's just not possible to change what people here want changed. It is a licensed game, after all.

[sebastian1988]

lol again there you go assuming things. you know people have a life. they have to get a job an go to school. maybe all that time doing stuff for no $ for a community of haters got to them. like, they ran out of $ to buy food an stuff an wanted to advance in life. and gm's have replied on seng threads before. and his priest thread was sent to gm's as well. the more positive feedback on something the more it gets noticed. but again. instead of ppl going "i will not support cs blah blah blah because of this, i quit", is that really helping anything? probably not. what happens when you cut a schools budget down to bare min? you run out of room in classes, not enough materials etc etc. even for priest stuff. that's not their fault, they didn't make the game. but its been shown if enough positive feedback an desire from this specific player base is there, then stuff has a larger tendency to happen. or there would never be a gmut event. or pet extravaganza. or changes to all those and fragarach weapons etc etc, i'd say the evidence speaks for itself that R2 does listen and care. they even brought out player made costumes.

I think you are missing the point. It's not the Moderators, but the GMs that lack response.
How do you know what is allowed and what not? Have you read their contract? I doubt it.

The GMs could at least answer every now and then but they do not. A simple "Nice suggestion buddy, but I'm sorry, we aren't allowed to do that." or something like that would at least stop people flooding threads. They flood them because they assume that the GMs don't care.

They could let us know what they are working on, what is allowed and what not, but no, they don't. And on top of that, they make skills worse.
They never fixed the Daimon Shiled bug, they prolonged the cooldown of Angel's Blessing.
They have no idea what they are doing.

[ShadowGammaDraco]

I think you are missing the point. It's not the Moderators, but the GMs that lack response.
How do you know what is allowed and what not? Have you read their contract? I doubt it.

The GMs could at least answer every now and then but they do not. A simple "Nice suggestion buddy, but I'm sorry, we aren't allowed to do that." or something like that would at least stop people flooding threads. They flood them because they assume that the GMs don't care.

They could let us know what they are working on, what is allowed and what not, but no, they don't. And on top of that, they make skills worse.
They never fixed the Daimon Shiled bug, they prolonged the cooldown of Angel's Blessing.
They have no idea what they are doing.

they have said what they can and can't do before an i have expressed that for them as well and other moderators. R2's main thing is events, its a game they are paying someone else for us to enjoy. changing anything outside of copyright would force them to pay royalty fee's etc and take negotiations, then a lot of work because the owners of copyright will go "if your gonna do that you gotta do it on your own, an we make no promises those changes will work or mesh, its up to you to make it". as with any contract.*repeats everything already said about everyone showing more respect to gm's an support*. there is a platform for CS an saga of hero for many places. which is why certain events can't go in certain times. one region markets one type of product that was given to them another markets a diff one. would you steal the rims of your neighbors car just because they are better then yours and you like them? or would you approach them in calmly manner an ask how they got it, or how much it would cost to get from them? then if they don't tell you anything, that give you a right to TP&egg their house....no. and that wont make them wanna sell you their rims off their Chevy impala either.

if really concerned about the whole world wide community with this issue. learn Chinese and find the original game and petition them that they make a entire product wide change to all platforms to include this change to be fair for everyone. otherwise should be patient an not blame gm's. let them do their work an let us do what we do with the forum to send them info about whats in forum if they haven't already seen it. instead of making a new thread everyday for us to have to merge to all the million other ones. use search function. this thread i thought was kinda cute until ppl started slandering gm's. tempted to toss it in the hundreds on other seng threads i've merged an closed which is why you think their forgotten and ignored. technically its breakin the rules making a bunch of dupe threads about the SAME exact thing over an over an over an over. and if i've been posting on these then bringing it up to gms. how is that ignoring and making it so subject wont ever get heard? i get spawn camped too. i end sengs fast when my friends are getting spawn camped. i'm not a casher. so if i'm in the same position as everyone else saying this...maybe that should be taken into consideration? chill. quit insulting gms. an show support an need for this change or w/e change that is logical with data an show how happy it would make everyone to see.

[sebastian1988]

I'm just saying that the GM's lack response. If they would communicate with us instead of ignoring posts, then many issues could be resolved.
And I really believe that telling us in advance what they are working on, would make people feel more confident,

I never said anything about events in my prior post. Nor did I compare our version with other versions in this thread.
I'm not saying, that they don't read / work on the problems, but they should let people know.

And you said yourself, that asking my neighbor would be the right way, then why aren't the GM's doing that?

Best example:
Daimon Shield got "fixed".
Speeds16 posted about that skill still being bugged, no GM response. Never got fixed.

A single response could have solved that issue a long time ago. They have to communicate with the people that play this game to improve.
I don't see why a GM can't let people know that they read threads about seng / priests / whatever. Contract doesn't allow it? Tell the players about it.

Same was with treasure trove. People complained about broken gear. GM's never said anything, people were unhappy.
Then they added a master hammer. It shows that they do read the posts but at the same time it shows that they prefer people complaining a week instead of telling them that they try their best to resolve part of the issue.

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Oh, I missed that last part, that you just added to your post.
I really have no clue who you refer to. Doesn't sound like a reply to my post.
However, how is it an insult when people telling the truth? The priests do have a nice summarized thread with no GM response.
Reaper Pet with physical base attack got fixed by changing the typo of all physical base attacks to magical base attack. I mean, c'mon, does it really take 2 maintenance to fix that skill?
Priest passive glitch got fixed by prolonging it. That's a huge nerf in the priest skills.
Dragon Spine has a bug with the balancer when people reload. Already suggested to kick people outside on refresh, like tamalan or crypt, they never did that.
And fyi, Killer's Den magic immunity is still a global buff that never got fixed, even though the patch notes state that.
Sorry, there is a crapload of little things in this game that could be resolved when GM's would talk with their players. It's not an insult, they constantly prove that they don't play this game and therefor have no idea what they are doing.

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And please link me the very first post of a GM responding to stated seng issues. Ya know, there should be one regarding crystal hp/tower hp somewhere, right? Since GM's only chose to not answer over and over.

[venomeh]

lol again there you go assuming things. you know people have a life. they have to get a job an go to school. maybe all that time doing stuff for no $ for a community of haters got to them. like, they ran out of $ to buy food an stuff an wanted to advance in life. and gm's have replied on seng threads before. and his priest thread was sent to gm's as well. the more positive feedback on something the more it gets noticed. but again. instead of ppl going "i will not support cs blah blah blah because of this, i quit", is that really helping anything? probably not. what happens when you cut a schools budget down to bare min? you run out of room in classes, not enough materials etc etc. even for priest stuff. that's not their fault, they didn't make the game. but its been shown if enough positive feedback an desire from this specific player base is there, then stuff has a larger tendency to happen. or there would never be a gmut event. or pet extravaganza. or changes to all those and fragarach weapons etc etc, i'd say the evidence speaks for itself that R2 does listen and care. they even brought out player made costumes.

Yea I will, if I see something like "kinda sick at the moment" or something like that. And if the mentioned topic gets also removed from his signature & active user doesn't show up to forums for a month. Uhm the GMs gets paid for their job and the moderators aren't getting the hate.. And you want a list of the supporters with a post as a proof for that priest change thing for "enough positive feedback"? The said mod asked me to do it so I have it saved up.

[ShadowGammaDraco]

I'm just saying that the GM's lack response. If they would communicate with us instead of ignoring posts, then many issues could be resolved.
And I really believe that telling us in advance what they are working on, would make people feel more confident,

I never said anything about events in my prior post. Nor did I compare our version with other versions in this thread.
I'm not saying, that they don't read / work on the problems, but they should let people know.

And you said yourself, that asking my neighbor would be the right way, then why aren't the GM's doing that?

Best example:
Daimon Shield got "fixed".
Speeds16 posted about that skill still being bugged, no GM response. Never got fixed.

A single response could have solved that issue a long time ago. They have to communicate with the people that play this game to improve.
I don't see why a GM can't let people know that they read threads about seng / priests / whatever. Contract doesn't allow it? Tell the players about it.

Same was with treasure trove. People complained about broken gear. GM's never said anything, people were unhappy.
Then they added a master hammer. It shows that they do read the posts but at the same time it shows that they prefer people complaining a week instead of telling them that they try their best to resolve part of the issue.

edit

Oh, I missed that last part, that you just added to your post.
I really have no clue who you refer to. Doesn't sound like a reply to my post.
However, how is it an insult when people telling the truth? The priests do have a nice summarized thread with no GM response.
Reaper Pet with physical base attack got fixed by changing the typo of all physical base attacks to magical base attack. I mean, c'mon, does it really take 2 maintenance to fix that skill?
Priest passive glitch got fixed by prolonging it. That's a huge nerf in the priest skills.
Dragon Spine has a bug with the balancer when people reload. Already suggested to kick people outside on refresh, like tamalan or crypt, they never did that.
And fyi, Killer's Den magic immunity is still a global buff that never got fixed, even though the patch notes state that.
Sorry, there is a crapload of little things in this game that could be resolved when GM's would talk with their players. It's not an insult, they constantly prove that they don't play this game and therefor have no idea what they are doing.

most the suggestions about priest an everything else has been "omg this version has this and that"-how dare you not give us this" or some form of "its all the gms fault".
and you asked about what they can and can't do. and i gave you your answers. i find people calling gm's lazy panzy etc etc calling them idiots is a insult. if they had no idea what they were doing there wouldn't of even been a attempt which showed a result. unless your saying they have altered codes this whole time out of sheer luck. this thread isn't about you and me and your replys or my replys. its about the subject as a whole. which is what i replied to as ppl just hop on these threads an trash the game an gms and cashers etc etc. as i have said there have been countless threads opened. countless threads merged and closed. and again. i'm responding here. and have been responding on these threads since i started playing over a year ago. and there was responses an eventually a change when good threads came around like i've said. acting like there is no hope an nothing happens is the issue. not gms. if there is still issues with something, people should be filing a ticket with the stuff to show it. not making random QQ TT threads with nothing but hate speech to the game an the game masters who work to make players happy. everyone wants new awesome events EVERY week. thats new testing an new bugs to sift through EVERY week. that they've been constantly doing for more then a year besides the few times no maint week&even then something HUGE comes out after that week of no maint most the time. cut them some slack. show appreciation an support. why would they wanna work for us on said things if we don't appreciate their work? least they are trying. wonder if saga of hero or the original even HAS a temp safety net where you can attack spawn campers while respawing. probably not as it was a change for this version. so that would mean they do care. and they do read and do reply. they don't HAVE to reply to EVERY single seng thread like i've said before. that's what forum moderators are for, sifting through the stuff an putting it in right place or getting rid of it so ppl aren't effected.

[sebastian1988]

Got that wrong then. Thought you were refering to me, since you quoted my post.

I agree with the insulting part. It for sure makes the GMs work less hard for this game when people don't appreciate their work and start insulting instead.

But there are a lot of people in this community who work hard too. Reporting bugs, coming up with great event ideas, with awesome suggestions. Why can't a GM appreciate those ideas too? Is it really that much work to reply to unique posts? If you see people complaining about bugs for weeks, why don't you talk with them to find out about that issue? Or let them know that you are looking into it. The fragarach glitch for priests existed way too long. It took them forever to understand how it works. And I saw quite a lot people who told them how it is been done.
For the priests skills, ain't the suggestions the skills of the original cs version? Didn't they see the need to adjust them? Now people see the need in our version, that is why they ask for them. If it's not possible or takes a long time to fix them, then the GMs should let the community know.
And not everyone wants awesome events every week, but at least events that they can participate in. And quite a lot people would be happy to miss out on events if bugs get fixed instead. I always complain when events don't include the chance to get roses or soul prints, because I think that it is really important to have everything accessible without cash. Because I'm concerned about my server.
And I'm actually really disappointed about all the accepted suggestions, that never happened and all the fixes that just made things worse or are mere typos.
This game is nothing but farming your dungeons at some point and even farming your dungeons doesn't help you to get excited again. It's getting boring.
Being a casher, being highlevel, being strong is worth nothing. Unless you really love to be a jerk or to show off. There is nothing in this game to do. The +15 enchantings sure are nice, but that alone doesn't change the fact that there is still nothing to do after farming your dungeons.
Not even the events are fun anymore, lol. It's always the same. No improvement, no new ideas, work of 5 minutes. The turkeys were exactly the same as the Evil Turkey Boss back then.
And maybe, just maybe, this game could be fun again if things get some balance. All I see are the same events over and over again and wanted events being nerfed. To remove any possibility of a tiny balance.

Could as well remove the suggestions forum, since I don't recall any good suggestion (not the **** ones) being implemented or even appreciated by the GMs. (not even the accepted ones)
Or was that the purpose of that subforum? Getting suggestions out of other subforums since no one wants to read/reply anyway?
They work to make us happy? Most people think they just want to make some fast profit before this game dies out, I don't see that many happy people around.

It works for wartunes apparently. Every week a bunch of new content. They even tell their players in advance what they gonna add at their maintenance. We don't get that much love from the GMs