Bounty System

[Kagelol]

But 1 problem comes with both of the above solutions: what if i use a lvl 1 alt to place bounty on someone? xD

1. a lvl 1 person cannot be in SG and cannot trade untill lvl 10 :P
2. then it would be an very expensive bounty seeming u add G's per lvl difference. say you are lvl 10 and the target is lvl 100 (scion) no gears. then it'd be 112.50g already.

also the bounty being increased based on gear is nice.. but people can take it off....

[nubheals]

1. a lvl 1 person cannot be in SG and cannot trade untill lvl 10 :P
2. then it would be an very expensive bounty seeming u add G's per lvl difference. say you are lvl 10 and the target is lvl 100 (scion) no gears. then it'd be 112.50g already.

also the bounty being increased based on gear is nice.. but people can take it off....

1. Ok lvl 10 alt then, lol
2. I didn't mean G per lvl difference, I meant 1g for every 1 lvl of your target. And because your suggestion only states to charge 2g for each lvl of the target being LOWER than you, a lvl 10 alt will not suffer from such penalty and destroy the purpose of making it more expensive for high lvl players.

If people take off gears, it would just mean even lower bounty cost, isn't that's what we want? I mean, you will want your bounty to be high enough for people to be discouraged from placing bounty on you. Reducing your own price by removing gears just makes it easier for someone to make an indirect revenge.

[Kagelol]

1. Ok lvl 10 alt then, lol
2. I didn't mean G per lvl difference, I meant 1g for every 1 lvl of your target. And because your suggestion only states to charge 2g for each lvl of the target being LOWER than you, a lvl 10 alt will not suffer from such penalty and destroy the purpose of making it more expensive for high lvl players.

If people take off gears, it would just mean even lower bounty cost, isn't that's what we want? I mean, you will want your bounty to be high enough for people to be discouraged from placing bounty on you. Reducing your own price by removing gears just makes it easier for someone to make an indirect revenge.

Ok Fair enough..
and about the first point, i thought i had read per lvl higher than you, instead of per lvl.
My bad.

[nubheals]

But actually, all kinds of bounty system (whether initiated by system or other players) would suffer from 1 common exploit: let's say my main has a bounty placed on her head, what if I use my alt to kill my main and claim the bounty? Or I ask a guildie to kill me, claim reward then split it 50-50? Anyway to prevent such exploitation?

[Kagelol]

Friends / Guildmates cannot attack each other even in bounty mode ?

Can't really do anything about alt's unless we find out some sort of smart way to disable alts from participating, same with adding bounty's.
if someone can come up with some smart Alt filter...

tried thinking of a few.. all resulted in a no go
i had a few more which i dont remember anymore..

1. IP filter
. On a Shared network other people might be excluded
. If someone really needs to they can just run their alt on a different IP (i know atleast 4 different ways of doing this)
2. High Lvl filter
. Could disable lowbies from entering..
. still high lvl alts can participate
3. Diffucult quest(for alts) to enable using the Bounty system
. would have to be made in a few where it is hard/impossible to complete it on an alt while a normal lowbie can

[nubheals]

Friends / Guildmates cannot attack each other even in bounty mode ?

Can't really do anything about alt's unless we find out some sort of smart way to disable alts from participating, same with adding bounty's.
if someone can come up with some smart Alt filter...

tried thinking of a few.. all resulted in a no go
i had a few more which i dont remember anymore..

1. IP filter
. On a Shared network other people might be excluded
. If someone really needs to they can just run their alt on a different IP (i know atleast 4 different ways of doing this)
2. High Lvl filter
. Could disable lowbies from entering..
. still high lvl alts can participate
3. Diffucult quest(for alts) to enable using the Bounty system
. would have to be made in a few where it is hard/impossible to complete it on an alt while a normal lowbie can

Yeah, I agree that none of the above idea works. How about making the reward to be something other than gold and it's bound? Something that's not worth having on an alt? But currently I can't think of such item, and it doesn't prevent me from asking my friend from another guild to kill me for reward (rather have my friend to benefit from my death than some random stranger xD)

Or implement some kind of heavy penalty for the bounty if he/she is killed to discourage people from dying to bounty hunter, no matter if it's friend or foe? Like equipment in vault, inventory and equipped equipment all have their durability reduced to zero? Or a limited time during which you CAN'T leave starglade, setup shop nor trade (lets say 2 mins per lvl, so if you are a lvl 100 and die, have fun strolling in starglade for more than 3 hours without actually doing anything)

[Kagelol]

Yeah, I agree that none of the above idea works. How about making the reward to be something other than gold and it's bound? Something that's not worth having on an alt? But currently I can't think of such item, and it doesn't prevent me from asking my friend from another guild to kill me for reward (rather have my friend to benefit from my death than some random stranger xD)

Or implement some kind of heavy penalty for the bounty if he/she is killed to discourage people from dying to bounty hunter, no matter if it's friend or foe? Like equipment in vault, inventory and equipped equipment all have their durability reduced to zero? Or a limited time during which you CAN'T leave starglade, setup shop nor trade (lets say 2 mins per lvl, so if you are a lvl 100 and die, have fun strolling in starglade for more than 3 hours without actually doing anything)

Last idea is bad idea, you cannot rob someone of their playing time.
and giving a penalty to someone who has bassicly been sentenced to death isnt very nice either.
somehow it must be very appealing to stay alive.

How about if a hunted stays alive it received 50% of the bounty fee (instead of 25) and also received some Charm.
Not sure how much charm would work, but this would also be a nice way of introducing charm into the game.
To prevent people from hunting their own alt for the charm the minimum fee should be more expensive then the charm+50% of the fee.

Edit~~
Perhaps add some nasty debuff when the hunted dies.
a debuff not nasty enough to make them unable to do anything, but one that really is not nice.
decrease all stats by 25% for xx mins/hours or something like that
or a debuff that makes it impossible for you to have any other buff active (no priest/knight buff, no frost, no elixers, no nothing.)
or a combination of those 2 i mentioned.

Also, this wont be activated when you die in a battleground.
the timer should stand still once a player is in a battleground/dungeon/non pk map.

[nubheals]

Last idea is bad idea, you cannot rob someone of their playing time.
and giving a penalty to someone who has bassicly been sentenced to death isnt very nice either.
somehow it must be very appealing to stay alive.

How about if a hunted stays alive it received 50% of the bounty fee (instead of 25) and also received some Charm.
Not sure how much charm would work, but this would also be a nice way of introducing charm into the game.
To prevent people from hunting their own alt for the charm the minimum fee should be more expensive then the charm+50% of the fee.

Edit~~
Perhaps add some nasty debuff when the hunted dies.
a debuff not nasty enough to make them unable to do anything, but one that really is not nice.
decrease all stats by 25% for xx mins/hours or something like that
or a debuff that makes it impossible for you to have any other buff active (no priest/knight buff, no frost, no elixers, no nothing.)
or a combination of those 2 i mentioned.

Also, this wont be activated when you die in a battleground.
the timer should stand still once a player is in a battleground/dungeon/non pk map.

Charm as reward isn't a bad idea, but then the crystal:gold ratio varies from server to server, and in the long run it tends to get more expensive to buy crystal/charm as gold becomes easier to come by. It will be hard to implement an amount of charm that reflects correctly the economic state of all servers.

Debuff idea also kinda has its own flaw, because even without buffs, a high lvl can still solo all dungeons, may be except for lvl 85 dungeon as you can't get totem buff. This only hurts the lowbies more as they are more buff-dependent.

And yes, i already stated in my first suggestion post that the 3-hour timer for bounty should be counted only in non-battleground maps. Should be the same for bounty hunting: killing a person in battleground is not counted as bounty hunt.

If the best way to discourage farming with alt is to make staying alive more appealing, how about altering the reward from killing bounty and staying alive? Let's say 1/3 fee as reward if you get the bounty, but 2/3 as reward for the hunted if he stays alive? Since you get more reward staying alive, no one would bother using alt/friend to abuse this system

[Kagelol]

Charm as reward isn't a bad idea, but then the crystal:gold ratio varies from server to server, and in the long run it tends to get more expensive to buy crystal/charm as gold becomes easier to come by. It will be hard to implement an amount of charm that reflects correctly the economic state of all servers.

Debuff idea also kinda has its own flaw, because even without buffs, a high lvl can still solo all dungeons, may be except for lvl 85 dungeon as you can't get totem buff. This only hurts the lowbies more as they are more buff-dependent.

And yes, i already stated in my first suggestion post that the 3-hour timer for bounty should be counted only in non-battleground maps. Should be the same for bounty hunting: killing a person in battleground is not counted as bounty hunt.

If the best way to discourage farming with alt is to make staying alive more appealing, how about altering the reward from killing bounty and staying alive? Let's say 1/3 fee as reward if you get the bounty, but 2/3 as reward for the hunted if he stays alive? Since you get more reward staying alive, no one would bother using alt/friend to abuse this system

that seems good, but wouldnt the bounties become to low then ? asin the money a hunter receives for hunting him/her down.
woudlnt 75% for staying alive and 50% for killing the wanted person be better ?
also the Fee's cannot be to high in general otherwise hardly any bounty would be placed.
i dont think i would pay 1d for someone to be killed.

[nubheals]

that seems good, but wouldnt the bounties become to low then ? asin the money a hunter receives for hunting him/her down.
woudlnt 75% for staying alive and 50% for killing the wanted person be better ?
also the Fee's cannot be to high in general otherwise hardly any bounty would be placed.
i dont think i would pay 1d for someone to be killed.

Well, all the numbers I suggested are just to illustrate the concept, it is not necessary to stick to those numbers 100% of the time xD May be the fee can be lowered, but then the reward % needs to be adjusted as well. If you cut the fee in half for example, then killing reward should be 75%, and staying alive should get you 100% of the fee. Don't you think that getting 50g for going through the difficulties of killing someone with full +13 and 800 soul is a bit too low? :P

[Kagelol]

no idea, never tried it.
im at the moment one of the strongest of my server (its also my first server)
so i dont really have a good view of a lowbie

[nubheals]

Well, guess we should just let the gm to decide on those numbers if they ever implement this idea xD

[Kagelol]

anyone else have any good idea's for this ?

[jeevviiee]

aw bad idea for noobs like me xD

[nubheals]

aw bad idea for noobs like me xD

Just be nice to everyone so no one will place a bounty on you then? xD

And I guess there should be a +50% total fee if your target is Eidolon now, since Eidolon is already released lol