One striker or two?

[vhunter77]

Raphangelo... how much $ have you spent? 0$ here, obviously you could 1 hit my striker (maybe, Vhunter's earthshaker didn't.. in TA so no Libra, but with charm totem it won't be useful anyway), it's still with just lvl 10 cherub. But if the resources spent are much closer that would never happen.
And Vhunter, yes it's tournament battle proven... as I said already, against opponents that don't know what they're doing just like you . Envoy=75 rage--->gives rage to Nereida-->she won't use skill without dragon totem?.... That just shows how much you know.

U have no idea what top build should be look like. Because there is no way for u the experience it.

We had told u your Ner won't be there when u need it, seems like u have trouble understand it. with same amount resource spent, if u had spent on LE+Ner , mean u have weaker main+ 1 striker. just a simple fail. stop living in ideal world. BTW, I had fought Eisia in 2 tournaments, I know how LE+Ner works. Ask him, how they died.


before I got merged to group 2 Est. There was Pokerme, Moriarty, those 2 had build well. Ice and burning was never good. Oneee2 and Phonix is adding AH as second striker. Sadly I won't be able test 1 striker vs 2 striker. But in end game, when every hero is close to max, 2 striker will win, but as right now, we are far from it.

[MagusRynd]

you can have two strikers with LE+NER. now dont start argument on maintenance of such party in terms of resources, cus when we talk bou best build, we shouldnt consider such factors.

[Raphangelo]

Raphangelo... how much $ have you spent? 0$ here, obviously you could 1 hit my striker (maybe, Vhunter's earthshaker didn't.. in TA so no Libra, but with charm totem it won't be useful anyway), it's still with just lvl 10 cherub. But if the resources spent are much closer that would never happen.
And Vhunter, yes it's tournament battle proven... as I said already, against opponents that don't know what they're doing just like you . Envoy=75 rage--->gives rage to Nereida-->she won't use skill without dragon totem?.... That just shows how much you know.

Its not about how much $ spent. With that analogy, how the hell did I get 1st place in PST 2nd group vs Kypier or other giant cashers? (ps. I am pretty sure I will lose this coming 1v1 tournament though, cant compete that amount of $$ anymore even with savings etc). If I had luck, I could won 1st place 2 months ago vs AFHrino (it was really 50:50 chance in most cases, needed lots of luck on my end to win). I was the only infinite-rage party in top 10, 2 months ago, without Nereida+15 of course, just LE+18 and orange dragon totem.

This thread is all about how end-game fight is like.

I just explained 1 example of a fight between myself (2.4M BR) and 2.18M+ BR. 300k BR difference is nothing. Also that 2nd player in our server is a top 10 in PST second group. I am not sure how your analogy of '$$ spent' is even considered when 'similar BR' or 'top 10' players fight result are.

I am not even so sure how you perceived that example as me vs you. Of course Casher will 'likely' win vs free players. Are you kidding? The example was comparison between 2 cashers that are in top 10 in our PST group.


Guess what, at lvl 60, Hectate was god even with similar BR or lower BR. I guess we should keep that 1 main+hectate build forever since it worked then. Right? Now look what happened to hectate in top 10 people fights.



If you want to keep arguing that ' i am a free player' stuff, then your input is fairly useless in this forum thread. Please start your 'free player build high lvl' thread.


Even the original forum poster asked the question using cash heroes, which includes ES, LE, hectate etc.


Edit: Oh to give you perspective on how much $ I spent, first, Kypier is a player who won CS-tycoon 1st place in PST server every month since Inferno Steed 1st prize reward. I've tried to take 1st place after 1.5-2months of savings. Didn't even have a chance.
In total, since... July? I spent less than Kypier's 1 cs-tycoon estimated diamond spending.

Do I regret spending $ on this game?? Hell yes. Damn addiction. Do I think I spent alot? Oh of course (from my perspective)

[Painindaback]

Woah guys, you can't help it... but to take few words of a post and talk just about it. It's not about how much someone has spent, it's not about you or me raphangelo.
Look raphangelo, you're good at writing Wall-o-Posts, I'd give you that. But in neither of those did you explain things in the perspective of good players' builds. And you won't see such a build for a while, because it's just cashers at 2 mln+ BR that think that building up a striker's stats is all it takes for a build to be "good". Gratz, you beat "Kypier".. so? Does that mean his build was good? No. Does that mean that your build was good? No. If you compare bad build vs bad build, is the winner with a good build? (And before you make a Wall-o-post because of just this sentence, I'm not saying your build is bad.. just trying to explain it in such a way for you to understand). You did nail it with "Guess what, at lvl 60, Hectate was god even with similar BR or lower BR. I guess we should keep that 1 main+hectate build forever since it worked then. Right? Now look what happened to hectate in top 10 people fights." though. Guess what, currently the builds of those Vhunter and you mentioned are good now. But when players that know what they are doing reach those previously mentioned players' BR things will change. Hecate was strong.. you know why? Because most good players were far weaker than the players with hecate.

The "free player" thing I mentioned was just to explain to you why you'd be able to one hit my striker. Free players have limited resources, we can't just pull thousands of 'em out of our backsides and build up our characters. This is why I mentioned later that if at equal resources spent (not BR) things change.

[KpGMaestro]

Hi there guys i will try to break this charmed circle of issues. Be gentle with me though . I notice the term *end game* and such, and you all are talking about different builds being good or wrong, just to remind you all, thats why i am writing this, to change topic to bright side i possible , we will soon get hero TALENT-s, soo unless some one already knows what passive skill will heroes get, we really dont know how much will affect heroes , for example, mage healers could get % def passive, strikers maybe % dmg or smth similar, you all played games with similar talent passive skill system, soo we can w8 and see how much different will heroes become. I totaly agree that dmg > def, but still we might see more durability on some heroes. Heads up and chill a bit, shout-out to LoA players

[Painindaback]

Hi there guys i will try to break this charmed circle of issues. Be gentle with me though . I notice the term *end game* and such, and you all are talking about different builds being good or wrong, just to remind you all, thats why i am writing this, to change topic to bright side i possible , we will soon get hero TALENT-s, soo unless some one already knows what passive skill will heroes get, we really dont know how much will affect heroes , for example, mage healers could get % def passive, strikers maybe % dmg or smth similar, you all played games with similar talent passive skill system, soo we can w8 and see how much different will heroes become. I totaly agree that dmg > def, but still we might see more durability on some heroes. Heads up and chill a bit, shout-out to LoA players

Almost all strikers get ATK %,
Most support heroes get AGI %
Most tanks get HP %
the second talents are more like skills, some are good.. some are god-awful.

[ohkitsune]

Hi there guys i will try to break this charmed circle of issues. Be gentle with me though . I notice the term *end game* and such, and you all are talking about different builds being good or wrong, just to remind you all, thats why i am writing this, to change topic to bright side i possible , we will soon get hero TALENT-s, soo unless some one already knows what passive skill will heroes get, we really dont know how much will affect heroes , for example, mage healers could get % def passive, strikers maybe % dmg or smth similar, you all played games with similar talent passive skill system, soo we can w8 and see how much different will heroes become. I totaly agree that dmg > def, but still we might see more durability on some heroes. Heads up and chill a bit, shout-out to LoA players

i remember healing getting higher crit% and damage reduction % if not wrong , most of dps get % dmg and another %dmg when hp under 60% (this last one for HoC heroes dps , no claws ) , and if we talk about endgame , should we keep inmind heroe awaken and snowqueen ?

[MagusRynd]

if we talkin bou end game, neither LE+NER nor two strikers would be best, best imo would be LE (max upgrade) + yellow dragon totem + three (50 rage) strikers :P

[ronnyouxia]

http://s96-loa.r2games.com/share.php...35457864eec59c

The final moments are the intresting part... the enemy hero has 20k dodge and my Amazon is on 14.500Hit and 100% success on hitting. When i have the time i will allocate my Amazon to the middle so he can 1 hit the enemy hero. Dunno if it would be a good idea to replace Goddless Wolff with Earthshaker and keep Amazon (Originally she is a PVE hero)

i found on that vid u do irb v.2 with dragon totem help.
how's the setup for nereida and LE u have? means bless stone enchant on what lv?
thx

[AvatarXyz]

Tangent: It would be wonderful if people could post some recent battles from the Tournament.
I would love to see some of these builds in practice.

[AvatarXyz]

http://s183-loa.r2games.com/share.ph...6545bfe108aa43http://s183-loa.r2games.com/share.ph...6545bfe108aa43

[AvatarXyz]

http://s211-loa.r2games.com/share.ph...6545be0f9a06d1
http://s183-loa.r2games.com/share.ph...6545bcc5077a0e

[AvatarXyz]

This one is amusing:
I lose my party first round and I get unucky with Pisces.
Luckily, his main and ES only have 13k HIT.

http://s211-loa.r2games.com/share.ph...6545bef896c14b

[Zivatar]

The build without Hecate looks better

[vhunter77]

http://s211-loa.r2games.com/share.ph...6545be0f9a06d1
http://s183-loa.r2games.com/share.ph...6545bcc5077a0e

who is Kypier, what time zone is that? interesting fight