Rest in peace Sengolia

[Kayshah]

Things are going worse, more and more ppl are complaining about the spawnkilling. Today i was spawnkilled 1 second literally after entering sengolia. If the players that do that don't get banned soon i for one will quit this game, i'm not having much fun in seng atm. No "crying" all i lose is 8 bucks so dont start trolling here. A GM should invisible mode one of this server's sengolias and explain to us after how are we supposed to have any fun playing it. Please do something about it already, the customers will be mass leaving soon. Because this wasn't adressed in time more and more ppl spawnkill now. And sorry but "i need silvers" is not a valid excuse. I had more fun in seng playing a lvl 35 priest inthere 2 months ago...if it's not fun i'd rather move to another game than trying to get honor and medals here by being an asshat and one day killing lowbies at the spawn.
PvP=player versus player not 1scion vs an army of afk lowbies. I sincerely hope sengolia will be made fun again.

[R22366365]

Sengolia battleground player limit reached? who receive this while entering

Belas Chasm Server

Im only 15 minutes late to get inside. Why does i receive it? Is there any a good way to fix that?

Thanks and regards.

[MemoryLane]

Anyone trying to enter Seng after it is full (60 member limit per instance) gets that message. The only way to "fix" it is to get to Seng on time and enter quickly.

[Trinity11]

Kayshah I completely agree with you. I just posted the same complaint earlier and let the GMs know I'm quitting the game until something is done about this. On my server (Void Encampment), the scions are bad. Not only do they spawn kill in seng....they kill in GR, dominate in DS and basically attack anyone they want when they want. I also did the same thing in voicing my opinion on this matter via world chat and I basically got verbally attacked by multiple players for crying about it and the scions justifying what they do because there is nothing banning them from doing so. Then the very scion who was spawn killing in seng verbally attacked my character, basically saying I haven't worked hard enough to level her. While he was saying this I had other players wanting to 1 vs. 1 me because I spoke my mind. Really? You can't escape them in my server. A few scions have started going into seng 2 since everyone basically gave up on seng 1 so they can kill all the low level players and have no competition to kill them back. I've worked hard on my character and have also made alot of friends on my server so moving to another is not an option for me, quitting all together however is. A point needs to be made and if enough people post that they are quitting because of this maybe the GMs will finally wake up and change things.

[MegaManBlitz]

Things are going worse, more and more ppl are complaining about the spawnkilling. Today i was spawnkilled 1 second literally after entering sengolia. If the players that do that don't get banned soon i for one will quit this game, i'm not having much fun in seng atm. No "crying" all i lose is 8 bucks so dont start trolling here. A GM should invisible mode one of this server's sengolias and explain to us after how are we supposed to have any fun playing it. Please do something about it already, the customers will be mass leaving soon. Because this wasn't adressed in time more and more ppl spawnkill now. And sorry but "i need silvers" is not a valid excuse. I had more fun in seng playing a lvl 35 priest inthere 2 months ago...if it's not fun i'd rather move to another game than trying to get honor and medals here by being an asshat and one day killing lowbies at the spawn.
PvP=player versus player not 1scion vs an army of afk lowbies. I sincerely hope sengolia will be made fun again.

senggolias never been fun to me. rangers, priests, and mages long range kill me, I dont even see them 90% of the time. rouges when I finally able to click to attack them run or cloak up so you cant target them. and since I'm most knights I face kick my *** is 4 hits.

[Trinity11]

The worst part of my server too is they continue to spawn kill even after seng is over so you are un able to escape the battlefields at all.

[Markiv11]

The worst part of my server too is they continue to spawn kill even after seng is over so you are un able to escape the battlefields at all.

Thats really bad. The GMs need to take action to make a fairer seng. Nowadays i can see the forum flooded regarding seng. I'm sure the GMs should also know about this by now. I bet they are coming up with something to make a fairer seng.

[Markiv11]

Belas Chasm Server

Im only 15 minutes late to get inside. Why does i receive it? Is there any a good way to fix that?

Thanks and regards.

Yeah it doesnt really matter whether is only 15 minutes late cause once the player limit have reached, you willl receive that. So as memory lane said enter seng on time.

[Tyfusi]

No Matter how late you are before Seng ends, If the player limit reached to full It'll give you that message. In that case you'll either have to wait for the next one or keep trying to get in since some people did nothing for 3 mins and get kicked out which means 1 person can go in.

[MegaManBlitz]

Kayshah I completely agree with you. I just posted the same complaint earlier and let the GMs know I'm quitting the game until something is done about this. On my server (Void Encampment), the scions are bad. Not only do they spawn kill in seng....they kill in GR, dominate in DS and basically attack anyone they want when they want. I also did the same thing in voicing my opinion on this matter via world chat and I basically got verbally attacked by multiple players for crying about it and the scions justifying what they do because there is nothing banning them from doing so. Then the very scion who was spawn killing in seng verbally attacked my character, basically saying I haven't worked hard enough to level her. While he was saying this I had other players wanting to 1 vs. 1 me because I spoke my mind. Really? You can't escape them in my server. A few scions have started going into seng 2 since everyone basically gave up on seng 1 so they can kill all the low level players and have no competition to kill them back. I've worked hard on my character and have also made alot of friends on my server so moving to another is not an option for me, quitting all together however is. A point needs to be made and if enough people post that they are quitting because of this maybe the GMs will finally wake up and change things.

on my server they call what you did QQ-ing most the loudest players in my server and the strongest. only a hand full on my server are strong and not talk ****. if you complaineven once about repair costs or being killed in GR by a turd scion bully they all say your QQ-ing and to get better. some times getting betters not an option when you dont/cant buy crystal.

The worst part of my server too is they continue to spawn kill even after seng is over so you are un able to escape the battlefields at all.

thankfully on my server only 2 pieces of **** spawn kill after sengs over. I whispered saying "sengs over *** hole" both them verbally abused me with whsipers full of ****ed out words when I whispered one with my main saying I'm KoSing him he turned around and whined saying he didn't know it was me. I replied "dont matter its over get your reward and gtfo"

[andyng520]

May i ask something?
can u all tell me how to pay money to purchase crystal???now i jus dunno how to reload money!!pls fast tell me pls!!!

[andyng520]

if i wan to use credit card to pay how to pay?

[Ametabolism]

For few weeks I keep asking Norulez (the no 1 player on CG) to stop the spawnkilling. I have been doing that constantly even when I happen to be in the same team. Today in sengolia i attempted to participate but after about 10 minutes Norulez, 49 and (strangely) 2 of the new 41 players yakalboi and Phlower started spawnkilling me in the same spot for few minutes. When they were finally away from spawn i pressed the res button with the intention to collect my warrior pack and just stay dead after that. Most likely because i have been repeatedly stunshot-killed in the spawn point for few minutes i was KICKED out of sengolia (the only one i was able to do today). Feel free to call it crying but yes, i pay for my toon, i wanna be able to play the game as it was meant. I posted before asking for a brackets sengolia where scions would have a separate one. Since that topic was disregarded, as a paying customer of R2games I would like the game developers and game masters to consider 2 possibilities.

1) create a small safe zone at the spawnpoint in sengolia similar to the GR one (so i can at least move my toon and not get kicked out)

2) post CLEARLY on the forums that this spawnkill practice is bannable and i'm sure players will think twice before doing it.


Either way I'm not happy with this flaw, sengolia is the battlegrounds i enjoy most and I want to be able to play it in a fairplay manner. Not to mention I really dislike wasting my time there since i ve been kicked out with no rewards today.

Eryka, ranger, Cheurna Gorge

Spawn killing can be tough actually, especially if the opponents are not overpowered in comparison with the opposition. Also, the spawn killer will likely need frequent aoes, high dmg outputs and lots of hp to secure the spawn kill and maintain the spawn killing. In the end, if your spawn killer's team decides to revive on the same spot with crystals, they can in theory spawn kill for a very long time at the cost of crystals and frankly put, a team of strong players willing to respawn with crystals can overpower a team of weaker players unwilling to respawn with crystals. I've seen players do the respawn constantly at the enemies crystal to destroy it tactic, and it works, but is costly but thats off topic.

Apart from that, there is an odd solution to spawn killing and its simple: simply dying and remaining afk without respawning will allow you to stay in sengolia. When the sengolia is over and the path is cleared, you can still collect your reward. Yes, the afk timer of 3 minutes will show up but when it expires, you will still be in sengolia as long as you are still dead. And yes, in theory, you can still have the extremist harass you by sitting at the spawn point of sengolia even after its over to pk you. However, doing so = they waste their time, and you have the upper hand in playing the waiting game. When your dead, and the afk timer doesn't show, you can also disconnect from cs and still remain in sengolia. The person harrassing you would have to be actively watching or monitoring the area, and thus are at a disadvantage in the waiting game. The only way for an extreme spawn killer to win the waiting game is to devise some kind of illegal program to allow them to auto select you as a target when you relogin, but still, the person is wasting their time to harass and likely, when the next sengolia starts, their spawn killing time is over if they continue to harrass you. What the harrassing person needs is an extremist team willing to stay in sengolia to spawn kill after its over, and would probably need illegal programs to auto select targets to continue their reign of terror permanently. I've never seen that extreme behaviour, but its possible it may exist.

Overall, this solution won't score you a win in sengolia or help your team, but it will satisfy your self-interest and will stop feeding your spawn killer your character's death & potentially honour (if you are above viceroy).

I have no clue whether the afk timer being unable to expel dead people from sengolia was intentional and part of the normal system, and if it isn't, perhaps cs admins should fix it or look into it.

Yes, I wouldn't mind encouraging spawn killing as players somehow need to get their badges and perhaps their honour now. And yes, spawn killing is also a tactic that supports the spawn killer's team as it allows the weaker players to effectively destroy the crystal and preventing bigger players to enter the fight. And yes, spawn killing after sengolia is important for those to send a hostile message, to farm honour or to remove honour from viceroy targets and above to gain the competitive edge.

I've been spawn killed before by large teams of pros before, I have spawn killed before, or assisted a team to spawn kill, and I know both perspectives. Spawn killing = you want honour and silver badges, while the spawn killed victims have no choice but to either accept it, remain dead and afk or make attempts to breakdown the spawn killers. Spawn killing after sengolia now has a purpose because of the honour system as well - simply put, people can still get honour after sengolia is over. So lets just say spawn killing is just another tactic for people to score honour, silver badges, a tactic to support their team, and finally a method to deliver a message and gain a competitive edge over others by reducing their honour. So, instead of denouncing spawn killing as an illegal or something that needs to be changed, let`s look at the logic behind it and understand that it can still be acceptable behaviour.

[Trinity11]

Originally Posted by MemoryLane

There are no rules in PVP, so it is well within someone's right to spawn camp.

Immunity, safe zones, and any other suggestions that have been made about getting away from the spawn area will not work. Campers will wait just outside of the safe zone and kill you there- I have to wonder why people think moving an inch will give them a super huge advantage. Safe zones will encourage more people to hide at the spawn point. The times there are no campers, take a look at the people who only move once every 3 minutes. That reason is why there should never be a safe zone. Let the afkers and the lazy people be spawn camped, they deserve it.

Campers will catch the people coming out of immunity as soon as they come out of immunity- it won't be hard to learn how far people can run before they can be attacked again.

The only real issue I see is the afk timer kicking people out while being unable to move. That should be the real suggestion- make it so any button click, whether it let's you do anything or not, removes the timer. There- the problem of being kicked out of seng due to spawn camping will be removed.

Now on to the issue of spawn camping itself. I get mad at my team for not coming to kill the campers. People are able to get free of spawn campers all the time. It would only take a moment for them to kill the camper. I've been spawn camped many times, as a scion and as a mortal. I run in the opposite direction from them- that is, I spam click while the regen thing is going on, and most of the time I get lucky and get out of the group as soon as the regen stops. If I die, I usually respawn right where I died, and I try again. Eventually I'll get free. Then I go kill the campers, or at least try to be enough of a distraction that some more camped people can get free and help kill the campers.

Seng is all about teamwork- you need a team to attack the crystal, you need a team to defend the home crystal, you need a team to kill the campers. Unfortunately, most people only go to seng for the honor and badges and aren't interested in helping their team- which is why my anger for all things seng related is directed towards my team and not towards the campers.

This makes me extremely angry. We players are not talking about campers. We are trying to participate in seng! I need to go into seng for medals...I need many since I am (well was before quitting) working on getting purple savage gear. I am always active in seng and have never camped and just did nothing the whole time. My player is a warrior because I relate to a warrior in that I am also a fighter. I am not afriad to attack a scion even knowing I will most likely die instantly. I would love to participate in seng but the scions don't even attack the crystal anymore, they head towards the spawn site and kill anyone and everyone. I have tried several times to excape but a lvl 63 knight excaping a lvl 100 scion is just not going to happen. And do you want to know their response when doing this? And I am not making this up "Spawn killing is just faster and easier for me, you are going to die anyway, why not make it easier on myself?" Barely anyone goes into sengolia anymore because of this constant occurance. Our server also merged and the other server has a scion by the name of 41Shots. I respect her because even she is annoyed by people spawn killing in sengolia. She too cries out in WC that it is unfair, unjust and pathetic. As I said before also it's not just as seng is going on, even after seng these players continue to kill us so we can not exit the game. As these players have risen to the top they are becoming more and more disrespectful to everyone else who plays, how is that fair? You guys monitor world chat and bleep out words to provide us with a better game/chat experience....how is allowing people to be disrespectful to one another any different? It's the same thing...they are ruining the game for alot of people.

To say there will never be a rule against this is a pretty bold statement to make. What happens when everyone stops playing? Because believe me it is happening. Over the past month or so seng has thinned out QUITE a bit. I used to get lag soooo bad because of all the players. Well now I can count on both hands the amont of people in there.

Like I posted before the scions especially on my server are out of control. They have fprmed their own guild and anyone who isn't one them is up for death no matter what event or world you are in. The more they are allowed to get away with this behavior the more they are taking advantage of it. The scions on my server are not cash players but players who have found a way around paying for anything, so hope you have fun when all your cash players start to leave.

Keep fighting Kaysah because I can't do it anymore. I have posted quite a few suggestions and they continually get shut down. I have quit playing because it's not fair for me to work so hard on my character to only continue to be someone elses punching bag or silver medal or free stuff in gr or simple amusement because they have become so bored with this game that that is all they can do to entertain themselves.

[DevilDog]

Latest patch with Honor camping as possible is now promoting spawn killing because people want to gain honor fast, if they find a lower level scion with a high rank they immediately target to gain honor at a faster rate. SO basically they have enabled the jack holes to be jerk offs Simply because they said this was supposed to be in effect the whole time, but now even lower level players killing someone can gain honor from the effort..

In essence they just killed some of the fun in Seng.. Soo I guess if you squish a lot you are now capable of losing a rank