One striker or two?

[uxu4n]

I was the first person cought up the IRB... (from you)... After I told about that on our server... only 2 or 3 clever people followed my suggestions and now we all 4 are on top of Spire leaderboard, Dark Abyss leaders, WB damage and Gaunt damage leaders, as well as the people got most far in Totems... So if someone doubts the IRB power = lol )
The bad thing we started later than you guys did, and we are still collecting our HoC cards and blessed stones to make our first heroes +21... atm the most upgraded hero (there are +22 mounts, but it's whatever) on our server is +19 ) With the next Hero upgrade event I will bring my Nei to +21 already and Astral to +18... so the nly thing after will be needed is to wait untill next big HoC (cause I have 1200 cards collected already). My guildmate going same way will get nereida +18 and from that moment we will go TA with IRB 2 ) I'm pretty sure it will be damn funny XD
So, I would say the magic will happen on our server right after next big HoC will end

Nice! OP soon! XD

[Painindaback]

I was the first person cought up the IRB... (from you)... After I told about that on our server... only 2 or 3 clever people followed my suggestions and now we all 4 are on top of Spire leaderboard, Dark Abyss leaders, WB damage and Gaunt damage leaders, as well as the people got most far in Totems... So if someone doubts the IRB power = lol )
The bad thing we started later than you guys did, and we are still collecting our HoC cards and blessed stones to make our first heroes +21... atm the most upgraded hero (there are +22 mounts, but it's whatever) on our server is +19 ) With the next Hero upgrade event I will bring my Nei to +21 already and Astral to +18... so the nly thing after will be needed is to wait untill next big HoC (cause I have 1200 cards collected already). My guildmate going same way will get nereida +18 and from that moment we will go TA with IRB 2 ) I'm pretty sure it will be damn funny XD
So, I would say the magic will happen on our server right after next big HoC will end

I used to do TA with 3 480k+ BR Godless Wolfs (2 above 540k). The mains were faster than wolfs and each could increase the damage of everyone by 18%+. No matter what was in the back row, it didn't cast more than 1 skill (even 1.9 mln hp targets, damn vhunter )
We stopped doing it though, because of the high abundance of 20k+ dodge targets after lvl 80. You'd probably face the same problem with IRB

[Zivatar]

Original Party Setup: http://s96-loa.r2games.com/share.php...25456739e864ea
Your suggested: http://s96-loa.r2games.com/share.php...2545674ed98fdb

In Pve it worked much better, but in pvp i guess it would be worst cos most have that godless wolf or arcane and they will rip my backrow in the first 2 rounds.

In PvP i might have to fill fully the first row...

[Zivatar]

Okey i will start upgrading tham... it will take a few weeks for sure... When i have the chance should i change GW to Thunder Lord?

Any fine tuning you can suggest? I can SS anything that you might need for background analysis.

[Zivatar]

Yess for PVE i will inherit him to Amazon thats no problem. I dont really care about Pve much. PVP i concern more. So if you have some fine tuning there i would appriciate

[vhunter77]

So here is a question - which would you prefer:
LE Hecate
Nereid Main
ES (550k br)

Or
LE Hecate
ES (400k Br) Main
ThunderLord (400k br)


serioursly, I would consider both build are fail. if u like to foucs on PVP, please ditch both build.

[R2471526]

So here is a question - which would you prefer:
LE Hecate
Nereid Main
ES (550k br)

Or
LE Hecate
ES (400k Br) Main
ThunderLord (400k br)


serioursly, I would consider both build are fail. if u like to foucs on PVP, please ditch both build.

Care to explain why and suggest something? instead of just saying ditch both builds

[vhunter77]

Build 1 having both LE Ner is a waste of resource. buff from Ner will be wasted. yes u get the rage, but with a yellow or red dragon totem, there is plenty rage already. My conclusion on IRB is Fail. IRB is really suitable for free or light casher.

Build 2 having 2 strikers? there simply not enough resource for both. it is a path to guaranteed fail. on build 2, HE LE and main don't need any resource? Having all 4 +main is really a dream build for someone like Burning, ice , ph, or oneee2. No way we can afford that as right now.

[AvatarXyz]

Interesting, thanks!

[AvatarXyz]

Thunderlord is a good debuffer even without much in resources

[ohkitsune]

Thunderlord is a good debuffer even without much in resources

getting the icon to evolve and enought hit is already alot of resources

[Raphangelo]

Build 1 having both LE Ner is a waste of resource. buff from Ner will be wasted. yes u get the rage, but with a yellow or red dragon totem, there is plenty rage already. My conclusion on IRB is Fail. IRB is really suitable for free or light casher.

Build 2 having 2 strikers? there simply not enough resource for both. it is a path to guaranteed fail. on build 2, HE LE and main don't need any resource? Having all 4 +main is really a dream build for someone like Burning, ice , ph, or oneee2. No way we can afford that as right now.

I agree.

I used to have LE, ES, Hectate, Sorcerer main, and Nereida (Nereida being just meat shield at front. I had no better hero to add). I used Orange dragon totem for looping (for my ES only, since my main's purpose is just to tank)

My entire focus was ES. Then Main with descent tanking. Now focusing a bit on LE. Hectate got garbage scraps and Nereida was naked all the time.


Now recently I replaced Nereida into Thunder Lord since he only needs 50 rage to cast skill (instead of claw). I inherirted Nereida into Thunder Lord but I equipped him with something. One of main reasons why I got Thunder Lord is cause I am Sorcerer.

As Sorcerer I have no way of hitting backline for my ES. Thunder Lord exists for that purpose and also debuff strong enemy attacker, like ES, claw, amazon (Not expecting to stun them).


If I was hunter main, I would 100% go for NEreida+LE loop, and then focus everything into Hunter main, and then focus on LE and then ES.Hunter is just way too good. LE is to boost Hunter's attack and ES is really there for secondary attacker+finishing.


So in my opinion:
1) If you are hunter
a) focus main
b) focus LE
c) have Nereida for rage loop. doesn't matter if shes 100k BR or less. Just give her revive armor.
d) ES = just finisher. Enemy will be lower than 100% hp or near dead by your hunter main's attack
e) 5th is whatever you want. Luna or Hectate


2) If you aren't Hunter
a) Your main is just a meatshield. Don't expect to do much damage.
b) ES is your god. put everything on him
c) Have LE+18. and orange dragon totem
d) Thunder Lord or Nereida just to annoy enemy as a secondary meatshield
e) Hectate is ideal. Remember, Hectate here is to get garbage scraps. His healing will be ok with low BR due to max hp % heal (Your max hp% will be high anyways for your ES + LE buff)

[Raphangelo]

getting the icon to evolve and enought hit is already alot of resources

Thnder Lord doesn't need hit gem much. Enemy backline rarely has 10k+ dodge. (If they do, you should be losing to major casher like them anyways).
Thunder Lord mostly is used for debuffer/reduce enemy hp lower than 100%/just a meatshield. As long as he serves that to low-dodge enemy backline, hes fine.

You should give him crit gem instead of hit gem.

[Raphangelo]

I have always thought that strikers scale out decently. I.e. two 400 BR strikers can be more effective than 1 550 br striker which costs a similar amount to create - due to the diminishing returns on damage output.
There may also be some benefit to Stikers like Thunderlord who is very effective first round pvp.
However, a strong counter point is the lack of back row positions available. It you have two strikers, you only have room for 1 rage booster.

So here is a question - which would you prefer:
LE Hecate
Nereid Main
ES (550k br)

Or
LE Hecate
ES (400k Br) Main
ThunderLord (400k br)

I have the latter and I am thinking of converting to the former. But it is not an easily reversible transformation.
Hecate doesn't need to go in front but I am assuing a PVP match where a healer is not going to help much

I explained what I would prefer in the previous post.

But just to note that in whatever build you do, the most important 3 heroes in your party are:
1) ES
2) LE
3) Main.

You don't wanna line those 3 up. If you do, you may get stunned by 1 ice totem. Also enemy mysthic/berserker can attack in 1 line (assuming they will attack your main, then whoever behind gets hit). Your ES/LE should have low dodge, so they will get hit = less then 100% hp and then enemy ES attack your crucial hero.

Also you don't want any one of them placed in backrow-bottom (this is enemy ES's automatic attack spot on turn 1). In the front row, it doesn't really matter much since enemy ES will always attack your main (because I am assuming enemy main damaged your main on turn 1).

[AvatarXyz]

Thank you, verfy helpful.
I am a Palladin. The Wraithstrike can at least reduce Pdef for ES. And the ATK boost is good for everyone.
So if you don't want to line up es, le, main and you don't want to use the backrow bottom, I assume that you put main off center?