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Originally posted by DanteMugetsu View Postcan u give an example to explain it a bit further, because i just woke up and i try to see what you mean but i fail miserably?
With crit+L10 determination:
- max is = 600 x 2 x 1.75 = 2.1M damage
- min is = 600 x 2 x 1/75 = 16k damage
With L10 wd:
- max is = 600 x (1.5+ .75) = 1.35M damage
- min is = 600 x (1.5 - .75) = 450k damage
At least that's my approximation, unless someone can give better approach.[morfinnor]
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Originally posted by ATreeTopper View PostTake two six-sided dice (think Monopoly dice). A result of 6 or 7 is considered average thus no change. If you roll a result of 2, it has a major negative impact on the damage you deal, a 12 is a major positive. This is how Ruthlessness works. Normal float damage is roughly 10% criticals not included, Ruthlessness increases the range of results before critical damage is applied. Assume your average damage is 1 million, normal float would have a range of 900k to 1.1 million. Ruthlessness at 70% expands this further to a range of 200k to 1.8 million damage before criticals are taken into account. Since a critical is a multiplier, you could conceivably do much less or a lot more depending on the result. That is why SpeeDHunter suggests to use a lower level Ruth astral with EWD as your base damage is increased, the lower level Ruth astral provides a larger range of results but too large a variety often hurts... If I understood correctly
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EWD increases your damage with a set amount. Question is if this extra damage is treated as a separate packet or not.
If it is treated as a separate packet?
Normal damage 100k.
Float makes normal damage 90k-110k.
EWD makes this 140k-160k.
Ruthlessness level 10 makes it 20k-180k.
EWD makes it 70k-220k.
Now take the crit formula (Crit/Deter 10):
(This is assuming it always crits):
Damage is 200k.
Normal float makes this 180k-220k.
Level 10 Ruthlessness makes this 40k-360k.
Am I completely off base here???
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Originally posted by laba-laba View PostI'll give example numbers, my avg damage is 600k and using 75% ruthlessness.
With crit+L10 determination:
- max is = 600 x 2 x 1.75 = 2.1M damage
- min is = 600 x 2 x 1/75 = 16k damage
With L10 wd:
- max is = 600 x (1.5+ .75) = 1.35M damage
- min is = 600 x (1.5 - .75) = 450k damage
At least that's my approximation, unless someone can give better approach.Originally posted by TheVictoriousIs this "soon" like additional spot in farm or homestead? :POriginally posted by PunkPetalDid same to me, is embarrassing when u tthrow everything but the kitchen sink, and they sit casting rofOriginally posted by EdGrrA life of frustration is inevitable for any player whose main enjoyment is winning and staying at the top.
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Originally posted by DanteMugetsu View Postunless you did a mistake in 16k damage, i can never believe u would do 16k in any situation with 600k base...something is off
its unlikely but its true
i was using ruthlessness for a time on wb
around level 5 or 6
i did an 80k crit delphic with my hercIGN/Server: Crusader Kabam 62
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Originally posted by Wraithraiserbut yeah. Robo_Hobo for presidente
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Originally posted by Brutal_Hobo View Postno its how the calculation is working
its unlikely but its true
i was using ruthlessness for a time on wb
around level 5 or 6
i did an 80k crit delphic with my hercOriginally posted by TheVictoriousIs this "soon" like additional spot in farm or homestead? :POriginally posted by PunkPetalDid same to me, is embarrassing when u tthrow everything but the kitchen sink, and they sit casting rofOriginally posted by EdGrrA life of frustration is inevitable for any player whose main enjoyment is winning and staying at the top.
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Originally posted by DanteMugetsu View Postunless you did a mistake in 16k damage, i can never believe u would do 16k in any situation with 600k base...something is off
Originally posted by DanteMugetsu View Postso if i get 45% ruthless, with ewd i will have almost the same result as being with crit (w/o ruthles) and i wont have to worry if opponent has guardian angel? only downside for mages is crit heals then? also wont use anymore crit gems?[morfinnor]
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Float damage seems to work as +10% to -10%, and Ruthlessness astral increases that value (70% Ruth making the range as +80% to -80% or 180% damage to as low as 20% before criticals). I stopped using Ruth astral not long after sylphs were released, as seeing my Gaia (now Eve) Delphic doing less damage than Short Circuit even with Unstable Voltage on a critical hit. Ruthlessness can be something of a way around the disabled crit hits from EWD, overall I find that a higher level Ruth would bring too many often low results, especially since in the case of WB, most finish with a delphic.
I think that EWD is applied before Ruthlessness, so the math is very messy. Base damage increased before the float value is applied. Or it seemed that way when I used the EWD/Ruth combination on my mage toon.Last edited by ATreeTopper; 12-30-2014, 06:46 AM.IGN: TreeTopper
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Originally posted by pietjeprecies View PostThat brings me back to my question, why would one use it, if that's the result.
because it can massively increase the damage as well
personally i dont like it
a few times i used it i hit the 500k mark in wb before the cashers did simply because i hit a 400k+ armour piercers
but that was like a few seconds of glory, overall my income dropped i think
its good for stuff like sky trail though, when you dont quite have enough power to beat it
a lucky round can give you that extra edge
it can turn a 400k delphic into an 80k delphic
or it can turn a 400k delphic into a 1m delphicIGN/Server: Crusader Kabam 62
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Originally posted by Wraithraiserbut yeah. Robo_Hobo for presidente
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Originally posted by pietjeprecies View PostThat brings me back to my question, why would one use it, if that's the result.Precision----S3 Worgs Lair
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Originally posted by Brutal_Hobo View Postbecause it can massively increase the damage as well
personally i dont like it
a few times i used it i hit the 500k mark in wb before the cashers did simply because i hit a 400k+ armour piercers
but that was like a few seconds of glory, overall my income dropped i think
its good for stuff like sky trail though, when you dont quite have enough power to beat it
a lucky round can give you that extra edge
it can turn a 400k delphic into an 80k delphic
or it can turn a 400k delphic into a 1m delphic
Eventually you'll pass that boss you want to beat anyway.
I hoped someone could give a good occasion to use it, but it seems its just some last resort astral for those with nothing left do spend gold on.
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Originally posted by pietjeprecies View PostThe little use of it makes me even question more if the gold investment is worth it.
Eventually you'll pass that boss you want to beat anyway.
I hoped someone could give a good occasion to use it, but it seems its just some last resort astral for those with nothing left do spend gold on.
had it in reserve, got an extra deflection astral
decided to try it outIGN/Server: Crusader Kabam 62
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Originally posted by Wraithraiserbut yeah. Robo_Hobo for presidente
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Originally posted by Brutal_Hobo View Postpersonally i dont like it..
but that was like a few seconds of glory, overall my income dropped i think...
a lucky round can give you that extra edgeIGN: TreeTopper
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